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Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice

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Post by Crito » Tue, Apr 15, 2014, 4:13 PM UTC

kapilvt wrote: post #35

duaneb wrote: post #15

Ubuntu is far too opinionated to be a stable "cloud platform".

yeah.. we should all use a distro based on something unopinionated.. like systemd ;-) personally i'd rather benefit from solid pkg management with updates and bits available for free (as opposed to only paid subscriptions) and with wide availability of the same cloud images across cloud platforms (published by the distro themselves). sometimes opinions are good and beneficial, and become widely adopted because its ju…

How about a distro that moves carefully, making an effort to not use their users as test subjects?

I've switched to Debian Stable for all of my stuff. Life is too short to be beta-testing for Fedora/Ubuntu for free. RHEL/Centos/Scientific is another reasonable choice.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice

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Post by pnathan » Tue, Apr 15, 2014, 4:15 PM UTC

chronid wrote: post #3

I really hope we get a contender for the linux servers space. Maybe it will be Canonical, maybe not, but having Red Hat/CentOS everywhere (in new deployments at least) is starting to tire me.

Take a look at SuSE. They're ridiculously quiet, but I gather from their employees that they are pretty much lazer-focused on serving business needs and thus are doing well as a company.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice

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Post by forgotAgain » Tue, Apr 15, 2014, 4:16 PM UTC

agwa wrote: post #29

forgotAgain wrote: post #10

Until now I agreed and have used Ubuntu for several years. I was however taken by surprise by how out of the mainstream Ubuntu seemed to security folks when Heartbleed was being identified and it's fix promulgated. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7592244 It left me wondering if Redhat's contributions to the security community give it a leg up. Any "cloud platform of choice" needs to be a first tier security plat…

That timeline shows that Red Hat knew about Heartbleed exactly 14 minutes before the other distros did. Hardly sounds like a "leg up" to me. The Heartbleed disclosure was kind of botched, but in general things go more smoothly, with all the major distros being informed ahead of time and having time to prepare patches. For example, see the Xen privilege escalation vulnerability in 2012, and the PostgreSQL remote execu…

Several of the OpenSSL contributors are RedHat employees. I would presume that Redhat learned of the problem when OpenSSL learned of the problem.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice

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Post by mwcampbell » Tue, Apr 15, 2014, 4:17 PM UTC

I suppose it was a good PR move, but I wish Ubuntu hadn't added Docker to an official repository (albeit the universe one) yet, since Docker hasn't hit 1.0. Especially since Ubuntu is packaging it under the name "docker.io", whereas the official package is called "lxc-docker". Seems bound do generate confusion.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice

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Post by forgotAgain » Tue, Apr 15, 2014, 4:19 PM UTC

andreasvc wrote: post #21

forgotAgain wrote: post #10

Until now I agreed and have used Ubuntu for several years. I was however taken by surprise by how out of the mainstream Ubuntu seemed to security folks when Heartbleed was being identified and it's fix promulgated. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7592244 It left me wondering if Redhat's contributions to the security community give it a leg up. Any "cloud platform of choice" needs to be a first tier security plat…

I don't get what you're saying. From a cursory reading of your link, I don't see anything Ubuntu did wrong, it just seems that things moved very quickly with the disclosure. Am I missing something?

I'm saying that Ubuntu needs be contributing more to OS security and that those who do contribute naturally have better information on security issues.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice

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Post by ithinkso » Tue, Apr 15, 2014, 4:21 PM UTC

bananas wrote: post #2

Really don't know what to do about 14.04 landing. I maintain a few systems which are in devops territory on top of Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, a single desktop machine and a laptop. 12.04 is EOL in 2017 and we plan to replace them next year (we operate a 3 year standard cycle). With the other major distributions moving towards systemd and eventually wayland (that includes the base of Ubuntu: Debian), I'm not sure I really want…

Hope dies last but please, let systemd die before.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice

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Post by pnathan » Tue, Apr 15, 2014, 4:23 PM UTC

Very marketing-buzzword heavy.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice

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Post by dan15 » Tue, Apr 15, 2014, 4:23 PM UTC

So what does Ubuntu do that Debian doesn't?

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice

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Post by Paul_S » Tue, Apr 15, 2014, 4:30 PM UTC

We use virtual servers and all of them run different releases of ubuntu and for the life of me I don't understand why they're not running debian. You never start an X session on a server and what admin would want to use Unity anyway so what's the point in using Ubuntu rather than stable debian?

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice

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Post by AnthonyMouse » Tue, Apr 15, 2014, 4:31 PM UTC

bsilvereagle wrote: post #16

pedrocr wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't Ubuntu already dominant in cloud deployments?

In personal and small projects, yes. But not necessarily for large, scaled, infrastructure.

RedHat has carved out a huge chunk of the in between space. RedHat sells to people who buy support contracts. Some guy running a personal email server doesn't have the money and the likes of Netflix doesn't need it because they have the expertise in-house. You see a lot of RedHat in corporate IT departments.