I really hope we get a contender for the linux servers space. Maybe it will be Canonical, maybe not, but having Red Hat/CentOS everywhere (in new deployments at least) is starting to tire me.
Isn't Ubuntu already dominant in cloud deployments?
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice
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Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice
#12I really hope we get a contender for the linux servers space. Maybe it will be Canonical, maybe not, but having Red Hat/CentOS everywhere (in new deployments at least) is starting to tire me.
I'd say that the closest thing we have is Debian. With paid support, there is Oracle Linux and SLES (and obviously Ubuntu).
RHEL/CentOS aren't popular for the lack of alternatives, but more because that's what most sysadmins are used to use.
Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice
#13Really don't know what to do about 14.04 landing. I maintain a few systems which are in devops territory on top of Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, a single desktop machine and a laptop. 12.04 is EOL in 2017 and we plan to replace them next year (we operate a 3 year standard cycle). With the other major distributions moving towards systemd and eventually wayland (that includes the base of Ubuntu: Debian), I'm not sure I really want…
Ubuntu is also now moving to systemd, following its Debian base: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 Assuming that you're not a toolkit (or further down the stack) developer, can you explain why Mir affects you? What other "Canonical worldview items" affect you?
As follows:
systemd - glad to hear that. Missed that one.
Mir affects me because of the inevitable safety in numbers that going with the majority display server technology. Graphical stacks are terribly complicated and terribly involving for hardware manufacturers. Canonical are pretty much on their own with it and it takes a hell of a lot of people to keep the plates spinning on this. hell they can't even get X, DRM, GLX etc stable after all these years and thousands of eyes.
Other canonical worldview items:
Unity. Sorry but this doesn't actually work properly. Various applications have focus problems still after years of it, it's unstable, inconsistent, breaks apps (menus for example) and has incredible usability problems. I know you can use gnome but it's not a priority support item for Canonical so various things don't work consistently.
Launchpad. Launchpad is a total pile both from a tracking and management perspective. It's basically a baron land of neglect.
Probably more that I've forgotten.
Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice
#14Really don't know what to do about 14.04 landing. I maintain a few systems which are in devops territory on top of Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, a single desktop machine and a laptop. 12.04 is EOL in 2017 and we plan to replace them next year (we operate a 3 year standard cycle). With the other major distributions moving towards systemd and eventually wayland (that includes the base of Ubuntu: Debian), I'm not sure I really want…
Ubuntu is also now moving to systemd, following its Debian base: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 Assuming that you're not a toolkit (or further down the stack) developer, can you explain why Mir affects you? What other "Canonical worldview items" affect you?
But systemd isn't going to be in 14.04. Like bananas, over the next year we'll be moving our production servers off of 12.04. Whatever we switch to will be in production for 3-4 years. So we have to ask ourselves, do we want to be stuck with upstart for another 3-4 years?
Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice
#15Ubuntu is far too opinionated to be a stable "cloud platform".
Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice
#16I really hope we get a contender for the linux servers space. Maybe it will be Canonical, maybe not, but having Red Hat/CentOS everywhere (in new deployments at least) is starting to tire me.
Isn't Ubuntu already dominant in cloud deployments?
In personal and small projects, yes. But not necessarily for large, scaled, infrastructure.
Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice
#17I really hope we get a contender for the linux servers space. Maybe it will be Canonical, maybe not, but having Red Hat/CentOS everywhere (in new deployments at least) is starting to tire me.
How about something new.
Forget this idea of a company that produces yet another fucking distro with just enough changes so its not 100% compatible with whatever it's forked from, and then charge for support.
How about a company that simply sells support services for an existing, community owned distro like Debian. If it makes sense for that company to donate to the Debian project, and/or hire staff to contribute to Debian packages to improve them, thats great too.
Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice
#18I really hope we get a contender for the linux servers space. Maybe it will be Canonical, maybe not, but having Red Hat/CentOS everywhere (in new deployments at least) is starting to tire me.
Isn't Ubuntu already dominant in cloud deployments?
Amongst people who can't work out how to configure Debian? Probably.
Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice
#19Until now I agreed and have used Ubuntu for several years. I was however taken by surprise by how out of the mainstream Ubuntu seemed to security folks when Heartbleed was being identified and it's fix promulgated. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7592244 It left me wondering if Redhat's contributions to the security community give it a leg up. Any "cloud platform of choice" needs to be a first tier security plat…
Despite being left out of that initial communication, Ubuntu released an update before Red Hat (as far as I could tell).
Ubuntu patch on April 7 at 22:01 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2...
Red Hat patch on April 8 at 03:21 https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhsa-announce/2014-April/msg...
Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: the cloud platform of choice
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ubuntu is also now moving to systemd, following its Debian base: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 Assuming that you're not a toolkit (or further down the stack) developer, can you explain why Mir affects you? What other "Canonical worldview items" affect you?
As follows: systemd - glad to hear that. Missed that one. Mir affects me because of the inevitable safety in numbers that going with the majority display server technology. Graphical stacks are terribly complicated and terribly involving for hardware manufacturers. Canonical are pretty much on their own with it and it takes a hell of a lot of people to keep the plates spinning on this. hell they can't even get X, DRM…
You're claiming "safety in numbers" by moving away from Ubuntu on the desktop? Surely you're joking?
> Unity
So don't use it. Ubuntu is more than just priority support items from Canonical. I'm using Xubuntu right now - it works great.
> Launchpad is a total pile both from a tracking and management perspective. It's basically a baron land of neglect.
As opposed to...Bugzilla? Again: surely you're joking?