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Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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Post by DanielBMarkham »

jhancock wrote: post #9
DanielBMarkham wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't attack the messenger, even for a bad story. Unless you have proof that Dvorak was purposely lying, slandering him doesn't make your case any better. After all, if he screws this one up, he's going to have a very hard time getting respectability and credibility for future articles. That punishment is enough.

I hear you, but Dvorak did publish a slander against Kundra based simply on his rudimentary queries. This is hardly good journalism. from the article: "But I was able to verify Kundra's degree with just a few phone calls in under two hours." If your going to publish something so incendiary, you really must do your homework.

Sure thing. That's the way it looks here too.

So now he's got to live with this Charlie Foxtrot for the rest of his life. Digging down into the sewer with him and throwing it around some doesn't help anybody.

Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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Post by gehant »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #4
calambrac wrote: post #2

When in doubt, always remember that John C. Dvorak is a complete jackass.

Please don't attack the messenger, even for a bad story. Unless you have proof that Dvorak was purposely lying, slandering him doesn't make your case any better. After all, if he screws this one up, he's going to have a very hard time getting respectability and credibility for future articles. That punishment is enough.

Dvorak was more than a messenger he was the creator & instigator...

Would you argue he's just "blogging" so fact-based reporting is optional?

Dvorak was pushing the limits of responsible journalism (similar to TechCrunch at times).

We agree on one thing: his credibility is taking a huge hit, rightfully so.

Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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Post by Skeuomorph »

alexgartrell wrote: post #10

Sorry to ask the obvious question, but who cares? IS Programs (even the top ones) aren't the most rigorous things in the world. Anyone who is in a CIO type position should probably have real world experience, professional degrees be damned. Why aren't we talking about that instead?

That's what I'm wondering. Degree, so what. I want to know: where's the beef?

Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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Post by krschultz »

The shocking thing to me was that

1) People trusted a random blogger over people getting paid full time to vet people. Understandably vetters miss things such as taxes (complicated) or illegal immigrant maids (hidden), but something as simple as a degree will get checked.

2) Dvorak didn't call all the campuses, there are multiple UMD campuses just like there are multiple Penn State campuses etc.

3) Dvorak trusted it based on the sole person he talked to. Does the school even have the obligation to tell a complete stranger these things? Did he try and find people who knew Dvorak in college? Did he find anyone but himself who thought to the contrary? Everyone has enemies, when you get thrust into public office they come out posting stuff against you, if you had skipped college someone would know.

4) Dvorak's question about teaching was trying to slide tense under the radar. He asked if Kundra was a professor. The person he talked to said no. That person was probably just an operator with a directory of proffessor RIGHT NOW. How did he know they looked at a list with every person who ever gave a lecture at UMD?

Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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Post by jey »

alexgartrell wrote: post #10

Sorry to ask the obvious question, but who cares? IS Programs (even the top ones) aren't the most rigorous things in the world. Anyone who is in a CIO type position should probably have real world experience, professional degrees be damned. Why aren't we talking about that instead?

Worthless or not, they still shouldn't lie about receiving the degree.

EDIT: Do the downvotes imply that people here think it's OK to lie about credentials as long as you think that the credential you're lying about is worthless? Or what else are the downvotes expressing?

Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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Post by krschultz »

alexgartrell wrote: post #10

Sorry to ask the obvious question, but who cares? IS Programs (even the top ones) aren't the most rigorous things in the world. Anyone who is in a CIO type position should probably have real world experience, professional degrees be damned. Why aren't we talking about that instead?

It is in response to the other massive thread saying to the contrary.

Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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Post by calambrac »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #11
jhancock wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear you, but Dvorak did publish a slander against Kundra based simply on his rudimentary queries. This is hardly good journalism. from the article: "But I was able to verify Kundra's degree with just a few phone calls in under two hours." If your going to publish something so incendiary, you really must do your homework.

Sure thing. That's the way it looks here too. So now he's got to live with this Charlie Foxtrot for the rest of his life. Digging down into the sewer with him and throwing it around some doesn't help anybody.

All the other "Charlie Foxtrots" (btw, wtf?) that he's perpetrated up until now, he doesn't have to live with those? How many inflammatory fuckups does a person get to commit before its fair game to point out that they're a jackass?

Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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Post by brown9-2 »

krschultz wrote: post #14

The shocking thing to me was that 1) People trusted a random blogger over people getting paid full time to vet people. Understandably vetters miss things such as taxes (complicated) or illegal immigrant maids (hidden), but something as simple as a degree will get checked. 2) Dvorak didn't call all the campuses, there are multiple UMD campuses just like there are multiple Penn State campuses etc. 3) Dvorak trusted it…

From my impression, Dvorak was simply raising the questions, which based on the (incomplete) facts he found, seems perfectly valid to ask about someone in such a high position.

Now that the question has been answered about his degrees, great; let's move on.

Re: Verified: Kundra Did Receive an M.S. in Information Systems Management

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Post by jgrahamc »

calambrac wrote: post #18
DanielBMarkham wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure thing. That's the way it looks here too. So now he's got to live with this Charlie Foxtrot for the rest of his life. Digging down into the sewer with him and throwing it around some doesn't help anybody.

All the other "Charlie Foxtrots" (btw, wtf?) that he's perpetrated up until now, he doesn't have to live with those? How many inflammatory fuckups does a person get to commit before its fair game to point out that they're a jackass?

Charlie Foxtrot is phonetic speak for CF which is sometimes used to mean cluster fuck.
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