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How Project Management tools kill more companies than any other SaaS out there

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Re: How Project Management tools kill more companies than any other SaaS out there

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This thing reads like some sort of marketing buzzword bingo and doesn't seem to say anything at the end. PM tools are useful. They are all about communication and the 'bigger' picture. The issue I find is not so much with PM tools but when the 'truth' they are saying (e.g. the project won't be ready for 3 weeks due to resource constraints and the client has been told it will be next week) is not what the management w…

I agree with you PM tools are useful:

1)If the projects are not finished at the deadline, we don’t have to blame the tool as you said.

2)Also Oren says that focusing is the key and gives us some advice. Ok.

I think he is right but maybe the head title doesn’t match a lot with the content.

“The light importance of PM in Startups (initial phases)” or “Startups: things to focus in before PMing” would be better. IMO.

BTW, awjr thanks for those tools and I sign up in SoftwareLeadWeekly , let’s see!

Re: How Project Management tools kill more companies than any other SaaS out there

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This vastly oversimplifies what goes into project and client management. It's a feature that no one really wants on the business side of things.

> It's a feature that no one really wants on the business side of things. Not to be obsequious but clearly at least one person wants it.

Actually a lot of people want it, especially the people who have to deal with the customer.

The problem, as with most enterprise software, is that the desire for a feature often doesn't match reality.

In my experience in services over the past decade and a half, most customers don't use these systems when they're available. They log in a couple of times at the beginning, and then they continue to rely on dealing with a person like a project manager or account manager.

There are a number of reasons for this, such as the customer not wanting to use a system to collaborate, the customer is already too busy with their day-to-day tasks, etc.

Re: How Project Management tools kill more companies than any other SaaS out there

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PMP certified PM here - I think the main role of a PM at any company, but particularly a software company, is as a story teller. By that I mean that you are responsible to take the team's status, and put it in terms the stakeholders understand (on the one hand) while taking the stakeholders' goals and putting them in actionable terms for the team to execute (on the other hand). Very few PM tools seem to facilitate this. Many of the corporate ones (as mentioned here and elsewhere) focus on completion in terms of tasks and dollars, and maybe resource assignment and forecast. That's because what folks REALLY want to know - how close am I to getting what I thought I was paying for - is hard to measure objectively. Both because the definition of "what you thought you were getting" is usually squishy, and how close is "good enough" is usually difficult to measure except in terms of whether there is money to make it better or not.

Waterfall tries to address this by making the "what you thought" as rigid as possible, but not surprisingly I can give you exactly what you asked for and you will find it lacking. Agile says I'll give you "good enough" often enough for you to decide when you're done as early as possible, but tends to be difficult to time box. My .02 worth anyway...

Re: How Project Management tools kill more companies than any other SaaS out there

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Software projects and project management tools have always been a dangerous combination. Project management tools were originally made for creating big, expensive physical objects. These projects merited hiring professional project managers, and the nature of the projects left little room for ambiguity: Either 27 floors of steel are up, or not. In this world every measurement of task completion is represented by a ph…

>> you are locked-in to a largely "waterfall" model of development. That's way out of fashion for good reason.

I once worked on a multi-million dollar "agile" project that went off the rails until a decision was made to switch to a waterfall approach.

This is not to to say that "waterfall" is good and "agile" is bad.

If your methodology doesn't suit the culture of the people you have delivering the project, you're going to fail no matter what.

The problem is that these pm techniques get adopted organization-wide by executives who became "experts" by reading a few articles and books but don't spend any time becoming experts at the type of people they have working for them.

Re: How Project Management tools kill more companies than any other SaaS out there

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post #8

This thing reads like some sort of marketing buzzword bingo and doesn't seem to say anything at the end. PM tools are useful. They are all about communication and the 'bigger' picture. The issue I find is not so much with PM tools but when the 'truth' they are saying (e.g. the project won't be ready for 3 weeks due to resource constraints and the client has been told it will be next week) is not what the management w…

I've used Jira's project management tools in conjunction with post-it notes to great success. At a very large company with lots of interdependent projects.

At the end of the day you don't need software if you have good managers (separate development managers and project managers if the product is big enough.) I've seen huge programs managed with nothing but Excel, Powerpoint and Post-It notes. You just have to retrain your executives to give you high-level vision and not try to micromanage it (I know, it's harder than it sounds.)

Re: How Project Management tools kill more companies than any other SaaS out there

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post #33

PMP certified PM here - I think the main role of a PM at any company, but particularly a software company, is as a story teller. By that I mean that you are responsible to take the team's status, and put it in terms the stakeholders understand (on the one hand) while taking the stakeholders' goals and putting them in actionable terms for the team to execute (on the other hand). Very few PM tools seem to facilitate th…

This is a great response.

I feel tools are often an excuse for poor PMs to be lazy. A PM is probably not going to be everyone's best friend -- your job is basically to facilitate decisions by executive leadership and make sure those decisions are executed on. You don't need a fancy tool for that; you need to communicate often with everyone (which often means bugging development managers for reports when they have better things to do.) Tools can help with this -- making the reports easier to generate/consume, but at the end of the day this can be integrated with whatever task assignment process the development group uses internally (be that tickets, or post-it notes, or smoke signals...)

As for agile vs. waterfall, you're right. It's tough to get corporate suits out of the "well when will it be ready?" mindset. The nice thing about agile though is that you repeat the process much more frequently, so you can actually start to improve that process and shorten your sprint times and do more actual work in less time. Executives like to see that, so early in a project it helps to focus on that as long as the product is making progress.

Re: How Project Management tools kill more companies than any other SaaS out there

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Well, I'm quite happy using Sprint.ly (https://sprint.ly) to build our product. I think what makes it a good choice for software development are the things it does not have, like custom statuses, custom item types, time tracking. Also, it has sane defaults.

Their story format (As a ... I want ... so that ....) can be weird at first if you are not used to it, but it really helps focusing on the real benefits of a feature and segmenting your customers.

Re: How Project Management tools kill more companies than any other SaaS out there

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One important point is to get a tool and be comfortable with it. If you wait too long to get the proper tools in place, you'll be hamstrung when the business finally takes off. My advice is to get your due diligence done and move on once you've picked a tool.

I've seen the flipside of this argument. I worked at a huge multimillion dollar company who didn't have any PM software in place. It was so bad because the project managers were running the asylum. Some had super tight deadlines and needed by 5pm TODAY. Others didn't really care about the tasks, or would forget about them and then throw the developers under the bus. It was insane what was going on, and it was mainly due to not having some kind of software in place that keep track of the tasks and deadlines.

The company wasn't going to go out of business anytime soon, but with all the business they had and more coming every month, how do you expect to have a quality product when your project management is a joke?

Re: How Project Management tools kill more companies than any other SaaS out there

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Claiming PM tools "kill companies" is obviously hyperbolic, but I can certainly agree that in the early days of a company, they're usually a gigantic waste of time, effort and focus. Especially if implemented via mandate.

Often there's a person (the PM) who has too much free time, and implements said tool for a reason like, "let's use X so we can all communicate better!", which of course really means, "I feel out of the loop and I want to know what's going on all the time."

These tools are best used when they arise out of natural communication tension amongst the team. Mandating everyone communicate and track progress in a specific way, for the benefit of one person, especially if that person isn't the CEO, is a giant amount of overhead to place on a small team. All you'll do is slow down the team.

Re: How Project Management tools kill more companies than any other SaaS out there

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This is also very true of old school tools like Microsoft Project. The overhead for entire teams to learn to use the charting and other features is too much. My experience has been that a spreadsheet containing all the tasks, issues and risks, with owners and dependencies identified is usually enough. Then it's all about the actual discipline of discussing them, saying "No" to lots of things, telling people when you'…

>a spreadsheet containing all the tasks, issues and risks, with owners and dependencies identified is usually enough. >telling people when you're waiting on things from them

I'm working on something a lot like this right now that does all the coordination by e-mail. I would be grateful if you dropped me a line so I can get your feedback when it's up and running. E-mail is in my profile!

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