this is the point in your life where you decide to be a lion, or a lamb. the hyenas are circling and they're not going away.
Ask HN: CTO wants me to leave
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Re: Ask HN: CTO wants me to leave
#52Provided you're not writing anything that detrimentally impacts the product, there's no reason for you to leave. It's your company. Now I say this not so you can sit back and let others do the hard work, but for you to figure out how else you can contribute. Every startup, hell every mature company, has issues to deal with on a daily basis. I would be very surprised if there wasn't something else you could be doing f…
Re: Ask HN: CTO wants me to leave
#53He's trying to fuck you over. Remind him that he works for you, not the other way around. Start looking for his replacement. Check with a lawyer about the security of your own stake and make sure you are good with the business guy, because the CTO has probably been whispering poison in his ear about you.
Do you always assume people are full of malice based on one side of the story or...
Re: Ask HN: CTO wants me to leave
#54No. He is making the wrong assumption here "that he wouldn't hire me if I wasn't already a founder and not what the company needs". First you ARE a founder- I genuinely do not believe you can't learn the knowledge you needed given how motivated you are. And you are learning. Second, he already admit you are what the company needs (at least during this 3-6 months), so why is he BS you to leave? He's mindset is so wrong for the startup world, just assuming things will take-off and by-then you are not needed anymore. You are desperately needed now; that makes you valuable. Your company probably can't make it to the next milestone in 3-6 months without you, at least it will take longer to hit milestones longer without you. You are valuable, and you feel for the company, just tell him that.
> Is this something that is common?
Yes, but not quite often at this early stage of a startup. I smell some politics of him. Do you two get along well besides tech issues in the company? Since he knows you are still desperately needed now, and he is still making BS about advising you to leave, I can only conclude he probably does not like you (not just in tech realms), and he clearly does not care about the success of the company as much as I do (the company still needs you to be successful at least at this stage of growth).
> Has he overstepped the boundaries?
First thing first, just learn things you need to know fast. You will know when you are making great contributions to the company, and you want that. Don't let your CTO stops you from that. At least when you are working, don't think about the issue with him and grow fast as a coder. I suggest a conversation with him off the work time. If I were you, I would like to know if he had issues with me beyond his doubt in my tech ability.
> It is in my interest however to remain in the company because my equity is vested, the sooner I leave the less I will get in return, apart from my time, and opportunity cost I invested all my personal wealth.
Did you have cliff in your equity vesting? If so have you past the cliff period? I really don't recommend you to leave before all your cliff equity are vested, otherwise you will get next to nothing. Manage to stay with your company at least in the cliff period. Your company wouldn't make this far without you, your company owes you that, and you know through what it should pay you off? Equity. So just manage to get the credit where credit is due.
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Re: Ask HN: CTO wants me to leave
#55Sorry to barge in on this thread - but I have a question that turns this on its head. Let's say you are a brilliant CTO/cofounder, but you are already doing something. Now you had this idea (or someone else had this idea) ... and you want to set them up for seed/series-A round and then you want to leave . assumption - you trust the CEO to not screw you. How do you structure your equity compensation so that you have s…
The issue in that respect is not what you legally can do, but structuring it in a way that won't scare away investors with too much complexity.
Generally, though, nothing will "protect you from future investor rounds" if they really want to fuck you over, other than being diligent and keeping a lawyer around, and picking honest co-founders. If the investors coming in and other still employed founder(s) wants to mess things up for you, it can be tricky to protect against them diluting your share holdings to next to nothing, for example (e.g. do a round on a very low valuation; issue large amount of options to remaining founders to make up for the extra dilution they take). Of course, if investors try to do that, chances are they'll screw the remaining founders first chance they get too.
Re: Ask HN: CTO wants me to leave
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#57You founded the company,doesnt matter how bad you are at coding there is more to running a company than coding skills. I'd fire the CTO,no matter how good he is,you're the boss,he is merely an adviser,he shouldnt be talking to you like that. What matters in business is loyalty, not skills.You'll learn it soon enough.
And what matters even more than loyalty, in this kind of game?
Contracts.
If this is getting ugly, and the company has a product/service that could take off and be worth serious money, your only friend is your lawyer, and your primary assets should words with some signatures underneath.
And if, heaven forbid, we're talking about a cofounder who doesn't have a rock solid contract, the time to fix that is right now, with the help of that lawyer, while leaving immediately still appears to be a significant threat to the business.
Re: Ask HN: CTO wants me to leave
#58If he wants you to leave you should still be entitled to half/part of the company, feel free to leave.
Do what YOU think is best for the company. If for some reason you've been swindled out of owning half/part (or some portion, equivalent to the start-up split) of the company, I think you have a bigger issue outside the scope of this question.
Re: Ask HN: CTO wants me to leave
#59Don't sell yourself short: simply knowing your limits is a major skill, that will let you contribute where you can, grow where you can, and defer to others where you must. Also, having been involved since the start gives knowledge and perspective that can't necessarily be hired elsewhere.
Ultimately if you want to stay -- and especially if you still have the support of your biz cofounder -- you should insist on having the chance to grow with the company, learning as you go along. And the plan for the future needs to be well understood among the principals, before the fundraising, because that process will tend to firm up roles, equity, vesting, employment agreements, etc.
It's true that sometimes a member of the founding team isn't right – the commitment or skills or shared-vision isn't there, and perhaps the original title/status/equity even gets in the way of acquiring what's needed. But it sounds like you're humble and flexible enough that you should be able to retain a key role.
If you are considering leaving from, or think you might be pushed out of, a valuable position, you will likely want to consult with a lawyer, separate from the company lawyer, about how to best protect your rights. (The fundraising process itself, and getting the whole company/team into "standard" documents, could either work to your advantage, or make it very easy for you to be booted with very little, so educate yourself early, to avoid signing away anything valuable.)
If intimidated by the idea of talking to a lawyer, remember that many will give a free 30-60 minute initial consultation, so simply by the act of shopping around, always improving your 'executive summary' of your situation before each discussion, you'll learn a ton at no cost. (No two lawyers will have the exact same analysis, so the 5th or 10th you talk to may still improve your understanding.) And if you find someone you like, they may give you quite a bit of continuing good advice simply in return for the future-chance/option-value of representing you in a future dispute.