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Memories of Steve

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Re: Memories of Steve

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Post by CamperBob2 »

sp332 wrote: post #70
bitL wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

D-K goes both ways - unskilled think of themselves highly, highly skilled lowly. I often wonder if this is the ultimate joke of the Universe embedded deeply in the fabric of "matrix".

MarkTee is right - DK only goes one way. The other direction is called "Impostor Syndrome". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

I don't see how it's invalid to argue that they're just two sides of the same coin. If no-talent hacks think they're better than they are, how could the opposite not be true for the same underlying reasons?

Not logically ironclad, of course, but we are talking pop psychology here.

Re: Memories of Steve

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Post by CamperBob2 »

Dewie wrote: post #114
Tloewald wrote: post #97

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Sarcasm saves a lot of time. Look at how long your second response was without actually getting the point.

"You don't _get_ user experience, twenty years after even Microsoft got it." Just as terse, no sarcasm. I don't see how it saves time when it necessitates you to follow up with a wordy response - if you were after saving time, you wouldn't even have responded to my response. But I guess this is yet another case of me not _getting_ something.

Spend less time at your own computer and more time helping other people out with theirs. You'll "get" the reasons for Apple's success, soon enough.

You won't necessarily agree with those reasons -- I certainly wouldn't want everything to work like iTunes or my iPhone in general -- but you will understand why your limited perspective on UX doesn't catch on like Jobs's philosophy did.

Re: Memories of Steve

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Post by crusso »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #139
_Simon wrote: post #138

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And you must be a member of this thought police that seem to be invading every aspect of out lives.

You clearly haven't heard of the Washington Times. The world must be new and full of wonder for you.

I just posted the first link that came up when I googled for Michelle Obama school lunch or something like that.

The poster to whom I was responding was associating the control of menus with sociopathy. I was simply pointing out that the First Lady is on record as attempting to do the same thing at a much larger scale.

Re: Memories of Steve

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Post by dang »

mmariani wrote: post #135
chris_wot wrote: post #131

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Don't worry, I was saying the same thing when he was alive.

Good for you. It's been a nice day since I left, much more productive. So in the end I guess I have to thank you for being such an asshhole.

Personal attacks are not allowed on Hacker News.

Re: Memories of Steve

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Post by olgeni »

facepalm wrote: post #141
salgernon wrote: post #13

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My only other story would be walking around a pillar in the cafeteria and smacking him face to face as he came around the other side. He said excuse me and moved aside!

And the pillars were allowed to stay?

They were patented soon after.

Re: Memories of Steve

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Post by exodust »

This story says more about the insecurity of the Safari guy than it does about Jobs.

Sounds like people at Apple spent too much time worrying about what Steve thought of them, whether he'd remember their names or invite them to meetings.

While everyone is worried about what one man thinks, the man himself was thinking about design and business issues, trying to solve problems.

Funny how bookmarks was never really solved in Safari. On my iPad, I hate the bookmarks functionality, it confuses me pretty much every time. When I try to find a bookmark, or add a bookmark, every time it seems I have to "figure out" and remember how to do that. It's not intuitive or snappy. And now with iOS7 flat design, all your bookmarks and history appears as one big list - black text on white background. The lack of interface delineation mean elements bleed into other elements and make it harder to mentally remember where things are found.

If Steve were still around, he'd be kicking someone's ass over the half-baked iOS7 flat design.

Re: Memories of Steve

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Post by lern_too_spel »

crusso wrote: post #153
lern_too_spel wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You clearly haven't heard of the Washington Times. The world must be new and full of wonder for you.

I just posted the first link that came up when I googled for Michelle Obama school lunch or something like that. The poster to whom I was responding was associating the control of menus with sociopathy. I was simply pointing out that the First Lady is on record as attempting to do the same thing at a much larger scale.

You didn't bother to check the source? This is the Moonie-run "newspaper" that puts quotes on gay "marriage." The text of the article you posted is full of lunacy.

Re: Memories of Steve

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Post by jryle70 »

hubtree wrote: post #129

This part sums up why I quit using OS X for my personal projects: "And if your software crashed, you didn’t make excuses. You just made damn sure that particular scenario didn’t happen again. Ever." In making sure nothing ever crashes, Apple has moved more and more to an OS that is too restrictive for my taste.

I fail to see how making sure your code doesn't crash is related to OS X being restrictive. We've just experienced Heartbleed, a prime example of a poorly-reviewed piece of software, in one of the most entrenched OSS libraries. I'd certainly appreciate a stricter process of code review and testing, considering the cost of patching it.

You being not a fan of OS X apparently clouds your judgement in this case.

Re: Memories of Steve

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Post by edanm »

noir_lord wrote: post #144
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #81

If after working with him for a decade you have to take a deep breath before you can give him your honest opinion on something, then he's not a busy executive who prioritizes efficient information exchange, he's an asshole.

I honestly can't think of anything I've ever read about the guy that doesn't make me think that. I also don't get the hero worship on HN for the guy, there are other actual hackers for worthier (in my opinion of course) of respect (as an aside I think Wozniak is worth far more respect than someone like Jobs). Pretty trinkets combined with aspirational marketing and a form always beats function attitude and somehow th…

Well, many people who actually worked with him disagree with you. I'm not sure what that means, there are definitely a few possibilities, but I think it's worth at least acknowledging that maybe you're wrong.

Re: Memories of Steve

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Post by mmariani »

dang wrote: post #154
mmariani wrote: post #135

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Good for you. It's been a nice day since I left, much more productive. So in the end I guess I have to thank you for being such an asshhole.

Personal attacks are not allowed on Hacker News.

I do not wish to participate in this community. Please remove my account. And thanks for all the fish and hype.
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