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Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by badsock »

grellas wrote: post #538

Think about what it means to the HN culture to have a subject that normally would have been flagged out of existence as overtly political suddenly be featured front and center in the apparent belief that ideological purity is now a litmus test for who can serve on a board of directors in the startup world. In a free society, people can unite in their business ventures even though they might be far apart in how they v…

You're conflating views with actions.

The linked page talks nothing about Rice's views, it talks about the way that she has used her power in this world, and what the outcomes have been.

If you're advocating that the business context should be somehow special, a place where people should be free of the consequences of their actions in other realms, I'm going to have to disagree with you.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by [deleted] »

phireal wrote: post #130
antonius wrote: post #4

When looking to grow our board, we sought out a leader who could help us expand our global footprint. Condoleezza sure left a global footprint in the Middle East alright. Hate do this Dropbox, but time for me to move on. Edit: Suggestions for a Dropbox substitute?

I've been running ownCloud[0] on my server. It has Windows/Linux/Mac/Android/iOS clients and has been working very well for me as a drop in Dropbox replacement. In addition to the clients, you can use webDAV to access your files. [0] http://www.owncloud.org

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Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by [deleted] »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #412

Allow me to quote (gay rights activist) Andrew Sullivan, via The Economist, over the Eich issue. I think it mostly applies here -- http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2014/04/to... "The ability to work alongside or for people with whom we have a deep political disagreement is not a minor issue in a liberal society. It is a core foundation of toleration. We either develop the ability to tolerate those wi…

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Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by er35826 »

JanSt wrote: post #530
viggity wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Wiretapping members of the UN Security Council You realize that is part of the reason we have the NSA, right? Only in a fantasy world do the other members not attempt to spy on the US. The reason why the NSA spying issue is wrong is because they were violating the consitutional rights of US Citizens. The German Chancellor is not a US Citizen and we have every reason to spy on her, the same goes for every other coun…

> The German Chancellor is not a US Citizen and we have every reason to spy on her, the same goes for every other country in the world. This is so wrong.

It's only right if you believe there's no cost to your spying being uncovered.

If you don't think there's any cost to being caught spying, I welcome you to try spying on someone, anyone. Then you can answer the question of "Is it worth it?" which leads directly into "Is it a good idea?"

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by loupeabody »

Crito wrote: post #396
loupeabody wrote: post #257

I find the explicit images of war and torture very distasteful. Especially alongside a goofy illustration of Condoleezza's head in the Dropbox logo. There are certainly more appropriate ways to communicate your message besides FUD.

> I find the explicit images of war and torture very distasteful. Really? You find the images distasteful, rather than what the images represent? You should be far more distressed by war and torture themselves than depictions of them. Sort out your priorities.

I suppose if you interpret my words literally, you're correct.

Sorry if I was unclear, but I meant that the presence of war and torture images (which in turn themselves automatically represent something, which is in this case, actual war and torture) is grossly out of proportion to the message being presented in the parent link. Out of proportion, that is, to the very mundane event of someone becoming one of Dropbox's board of directors.

There's an implication here that Dr. Rice, by being a board member, will guide Dropbox into committing acts of war and torture. This implication is most strongly suggested by the presence of those images.

I could make a webpage which looped a video montage of people being beaten and murdered by police officers and upon it superimpose the message "DON'T ARGUE WITH POLICEMEN". Certainly there are more civil and dignified ways to convince people to not argue with police officers?

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by [deleted] »

pvnick wrote: post #253

I'm not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, I absolutely agree with most of the opposition to Condi Rice wrt the illegal war, warrantless wiretaps, torture, etc. On the other hand, I threw a hissy fit over the opposition to Eich based on his beliefs. I'm not sure how I can oppose Rice while standing up for Eich without inconsistency. Anybody else feel conflicted and have some insight? I'm still probably goin…

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Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by droopybuns »

jnbiche wrote: post #423
droopybuns wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find this offensive and foolish. People should put more effort into holding their politicians accountable while they are in office- not for settling idealogical scores after they reenter private life. We the people have no one to blame but ourselves for this. It is the voter's fault that these people are able to flourish. If we don't take our civic responsibilities seriously, then these kinds of campaigns are petty…

>Americans that act in these kind of thought police exercises instead of actually investing in the system should be ASHAMED of themselves. Is what she did illegal? Nominate politicians that will instill FBI leaders who will prosecute crimes. WORK FOR IT. Don't just talk. You need to do more than vote. Yeah, many of us did exactly that back in 2007/2008. We nominated and worked hard to promote and to get elected a pol…

Is any realistic alternative to violence against the system if you are going to disengage?

I think this whole thing has to come to a head at some point- and I just see too many americans who don't even put a fraction of the effort into politics that you have.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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[deleted] wrote: post #575
grellas wrote: post #538

Think about what it means to the HN culture to have a subject that normally would have been flagged out of existence as overtly political suddenly be featured front and center in the apparent belief that ideological purity is now a litmus test for who can serve on a board of directors in the startup world. In a free society, people can unite in their business ventures even though they might be far apart in how they v…

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Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by joshstrange »

cmiles74 wrote: post #574
grellas wrote: post #538

Think about what it means to the HN culture to have a subject that normally would have been flagged out of existence as overtly political suddenly be featured front and center in the apparent belief that ideological purity is now a litmus test for who can serve on a board of directors in the startup world. In a free society, people can unite in their business ventures even though they might be far apart in how they v…

I believe this is different precisely because we aren't necessarily using "political, social, or religious tests as criteria". In this case it's pretty nearly the polar opposite: we're using her past public performance in past professional roles. No one is digging into her private history, quite the opposite; people are looking into past statements that she's made to the public (at hearings, in newspaper interviews,…

Exactly, no one is saying "If you are a Republican you shouldn't be on the DB board" they are saying "If you support warrantless wiretapping and were an accomplice in lying to the American public in order to start a war then you shouldn't be on the DB board". This isn't because of her political affiliation but because of what she did.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by Daishiman »

[deleted] wrote: post #553

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I really, really fail to see the problem with this.

We live in a world where income inequality has been growing for the past 40 years, where people in power of the economic institutions grow closer and close to the power of political institutions, and where the common citizen is unable to take any sort of action to voice their opinion on significant matters.

Over half of the US population was in disagreement with the Iraq war, not to mention the absolute majority of its allies and the rest of the world. It is about as unanimous a disagreement on a military conflict as it gets, which ended in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

Did you forget that this woman fabricated evidence? That she openly lied to its people to get this on?

There is a difference between voting for plain "political disagreement" and for considering that the person in question, in another era, would have unquestionably been tried as a war criminal.

What kind of simplistic argument are you trying to bring about where all political action is equally important?

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