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Knuth: Open Letter to Condoleezza Rice (2002)

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Re: Knuth: Open Letter to Condoleezza Rice (2002)

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Here is the cartoon Knuth refers to. http://www.danzigercartoons.com/archive/cmp/2002/danziger141...

Is there a point to the piano name? I know that Bösendorfer is a high-end piano maker, but it looks like Danziger has altered it to Boshendorfer, or Buchendorfer, or something like that. Intentional, or just a mistake?

EDIT: I'm an idiot. It's "Bushendorfer".

Re: Knuth: Open Letter to Condoleezza Rice (2002)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been trying to avoid Amazon since they censored Wikileaks with a single phone call from a politician. I'll never forgive them for that. The fact that they're working with the CIA now just adds to the pile of reasons to dislike them. Will history make a difference between IBM selling mainframes to Nazis to help their holocaust and Amazon selling servers to the CIA to help them assassinate people around the world…

Wikileaks violated the AWS TOS by publishing classified material in violation of US law.

This isn't the UK; it is not a violation of US law to publish classified information; the violation is when a person with legitimate access to classified information disseminates it to an unauthorized person (see, e.g., 18 USC § 798).

To date, the closest the US government has come to prosecuting a publisher was the attempt in the Pentagon Papers case to enjoin publication; SCOTUS struck down the effort, calling prior restraint "the most serious and least tolerable infringement on First Amendment rights." USG has not been anxious to go after publishers since then.

For example, State counsel Harold Koh, in a letter to Wikileaks demanding the removal of unredacted classified information, noted that the materials "were provided in violation of U.S. law ... As long as WikiLeaks holds such material, the violation of the law is ongoing." (Emph original.)

Koh did not state that WikiLeaks was violating US law, but that the person who provided the documents (Manning) had done so, and that the offense was a continuing one. He did not charge Wikileaks, or any of its members, with having broken the law, only that their source was continuing to do so.

There is no case law regarding whether USG can convict a publisher for obtaining classified material, but similar cases (e.g., Bartnicki v. Vopper) suggest that this would be difficult.

Having said that, the Obama administration has been historically aggressive in prosecuting leakers, including naming a journalist (FOX News reporter James Rosen) as an unindicted co-conspirator for receiving classified information from a State source.

If AMZN was talked into dropping Wikileaks, it wasn't because of criminal activity by the publisher; it was because of political pressure from the administration. Not the same thing.

Re: Knuth: Open Letter to Condoleezza Rice (2002)

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post #53

You lost me at almost blindly supports Israel's increasingly unjustifiable occupation . Why is it that people who know so much about one thing feel compelled to open their big mouths about something else they clearly know so little about?

Must be a zionist :)

Re: Knuth: Open Letter to Condoleezza Rice (2002)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better to be inconsistently principled than consistently unprincipled.

I'm pretty sure "inconsistently principled" == "consistently unprincipled".

I think that depends on the reading of "inconsistently principled". If the principles are inconsistent, then I tentatively think your equality holds. If the principles are consistent, and the stridency in application is inconsistent, then I don't think they are equal.

With the second reading, a tangential concern is what drives the inconsistency. If it is purely stochastic, then I think the above saying holds ("better to be..."). If it is manipulated by unprincipled agents, then it's much more questionable.

Re: Knuth: Open Letter to Condoleezza Rice (2002)

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post #32

Curious - should we be crucifying Stanford as well? http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/users/condi

Why not? UCB caught quite a bit of flak over John Yoo. If a med school were to employ one of the psychologists who helped design torture at Gitmo I wouldn't expect that to remain quiet.

Re: Knuth: Open Letter to Condoleezza Rice (2002)

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I've seen a lot of comments here pontificate about being above "political litmus tests." Torture is political? Death on mass scale is political now? Wiretapping is political? Violation of international law is a political stance? Noam Chomsky thanks you for proving his points for him.

Re: Knuth: Open Letter to Condoleezza Rice (2002)

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I don't understand what people are admiring here. This "letter" is nothing more than a meaningless rant by a person whose field of expertise has nothing to do with politics, economy, international relations or terrorism. Donald Knuth is a great computer scientist, but hearing him talking about international politics is like hearing any other random person on the street.

Also: "...and that almost blindly supports Israel's increasingly unjustifiable occupation".

Seriously?

Let the downvotes begin.

Re: Knuth: Open Letter to Condoleezza Rice (2002)

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post #13

Amazon is building a $600 million datacenter for the CIA. The CIA did all of the bad things listed in Dropbox article as directed by Bush and Condoleezza, and they are still actively trying to cover up torture. I've never heard anyone here not using EC2 over it? The tech scenes pitchfork mobs are wildly inconsistent. I have a feeling this one hit a nerve because Condoleezza Rice is famously hated across the internet…

Better to be inconsistently principled than consistently unprincipled.

Better to be inconsistently principled than consistently unprincipled.

That's some Jim Crow logic right there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

Or perhaps its just psychopathy:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/10737827/Psychopath...

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