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Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by mikestew » Thu, Apr 10, 2014, 3:58 PM UTC

streptomycin wrote: post #330

biden423 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Umm, I think you're the one who doesn't know American politics. "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

Ridiculous. Read the full speech and see how its message compares with your cherry-picked quotes: http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/gore/gore092302sp.html

Wow, I've seen some cherry-picking in my day but parent tries to bring out a message that is the complete opposite of what the speech says.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by woogle » Thu, Apr 10, 2014, 3:59 PM UTC

chrisgd wrote: post #381

kolbe wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know right? It's like you have to have your head in the sand to not see the differences between the Bush and Obama administrations. I made a list a while back to give people an idea of the real differences between them. -Likes beer and sports: both Obama and Bush -Spends money the US doesn't have: both -Directs Taxpayers' Money to Special Interests: both -Supports Irresponsible Deficits: both -Grants Taxpayer-Funde…

The US prints its own money, it will always have enough. The question is whether inflation eats away its value.

Wrong. You should read further US money processes topic, you'll be surprised.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by insuffi » Thu, Apr 10, 2014, 4:00 PM UTC

mcherm wrote: post #342

Attacking companies for working with leaders who happen to have a conservative political viewpoint is simply unacceptable. For goodness sake, Condoleezza Rice was the US Secretary of State! There are a substantial number of people who found her to be an excellent leader -- including at least 2/3 of the US Senate. I am quite liberal, but I do not believe in blacklisting people because of their political beliefs. At on…

This has nothing to do with political beliefs or a conservative background.

You can be a conservative in all possible ways and still uphold moral principles. The last time I checked morality does not include lying, undermining human rights, waging foreign wars.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by mac1175 » Thu, Apr 10, 2014, 4:00 PM UTC

There should have been some warning on this link. That picture of that grieving (I assume) father was too much. I get the point the author is trying to make but it didn't have to be an /r/wtf subreddit.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by vdaniuk » Thu, Apr 10, 2014, 4:00 PM UTC

bsaul wrote: post #329

joemaller1 wrote: post #43

I was wondering how long this would take. Thoughtcrime is here. The quest for ideological purity is kneecapping our future. Shutting out half of the brainpool because they hold opposing views about disconnected topics is a recipe for societal failure.

I couldn't agree more. We have a very easy task identifying right-wing style totalitarism, but apparently sillicon valley has a blind eye when it's coming from its left.

Soooo, putting public pressure on a company that is employing a very controversial politician who is linked to war deaths, mass surveillance and torture is left-wing totalitarianism. Care to explain yourself?

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by rbanffy » Thu, Apr 10, 2014, 4:00 PM UTC

JackFr wrote: post #157

Consider that when acting under uncertainty, intelligent, informed people of good will can examine the same set of facts and reach different conclusions. It has become an article of faith that the Bush administration acted in bad faith about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, while all that really has ever been shown is that they were tragically, woefully and extraordinarily wrong. How intelligent, well educated pe…

> while all that really has ever been shown is that they were tragically, woefully and extraordinarily wrong.

I find it very odd that, despite the fact they had access to allegedly better intel than everybody else, they were the only ones who were that substantially and, adding to the oddity, conveniently wrong.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by glisom » Thu, Apr 10, 2014, 4:00 PM UTC

Eich donated $1,000 to a campaign he agreed with. Rice helped run part of the country you are lucky enough to live in. Get over yourselves. I bet everyone of you would work at Dropbox or Mozilla in an instance, even if they were prominent figures in the company.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by news_to_me » Thu, Apr 10, 2014, 4:00 PM UTC

I disagree with product boycotts in general, including this one. It means we're "voting with dollars", which means people with more dollars have more votes.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by mikeash » Thu, Apr 10, 2014, 4:00 PM UTC

orochi235 wrote: post #371

pvnick wrote: post #253

I'm not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, I absolutely agree with most of the opposition to Condi Rice wrt the illegal war, warrantless wiretaps, torture, etc. On the other hand, I threw a hissy fit over the opposition to Eich based on his beliefs. I'm not sure how I can oppose Rice while standing up for Eich without inconsistency. Anybody else feel conflicted and have some insight? I'm still probably goin…

I hated the Eich thing and I hate this too. Even if she has been wrong about basically everything she was ever put in charge of, this is not how we settle political disputes in a civil society. If you want to stop using Dropbox, fine. If you're a stakeholder in Dropbox, then you have a legitimate interest here. But no one else does.

Excuse me? Not doing business with companies who do things we dislike is exactly how we settle political disputes in a civil society.

Seriously, what the hell is with all these idiots lately saying that we're not supposed to even vote with our wallets anymore? I apologize for my harsh language but I'm just so flabbergasted, and it's such a stupid thing to say that I think "idiots" is justified. Do you really think that we should limit the expression of our dissatisfaction to the ballot box and the internet comment box? Why shouldn't we change how we do business to make a point?

The way some people react to this stuff, you'd think we were talking about assassinating political opponents, rather than criticizing them and taking our business elsewhere.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Apr 10, 2014, 4:00 PM UTC

orochi235 wrote: post #371

pvnick wrote: post #253

I'm not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, I absolutely agree with most of the opposition to Condi Rice wrt the illegal war, warrantless wiretaps, torture, etc. On the other hand, I threw a hissy fit over the opposition to Eich based on his beliefs. I'm not sure how I can oppose Rice while standing up for Eich without inconsistency. Anybody else feel conflicted and have some insight? I'm still probably goin…

I hated the Eich thing and I hate this too. Even if she has been wrong about basically everything she was ever put in charge of, this is not how we settle political disputes in a civil society. If you want to stop using Dropbox, fine. If you're a stakeholder in Dropbox, then you have a legitimate interest here. But no one else does.

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