I thought Silicon Valley was dying for more women and minorities to join their ranks! Rice is both so shouldn't we all be elated?!
Oh, she's a Republican? Fuck her.
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#312Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn't know they were on the board of directors of Dropbox. Very interesting. Yes: a large percentage of the politicians in power today are responsible for the heinous crimes against humanity being committed, even yet daily, in the name of the American people - and YES, you SHOULD hold them accountable, since - as an American - you, yourself, are also responsible for the heinous actions of your nation state.
Sadly, most Americans don't hold themselves responsible for the actions of our duly elected leaders. It's how we sleep at night. brb, dropping Dropbox...
Actually Rice has never held a democratically elected office - a strange trait of the American government system is that The President can appoint anyone he likes to hold these offices.
This counters to countries like Britain where these roles have to go to,democratically elected Members of one of the two Houses (usually the lower House of Parliament where the Prime Minister sits).
So assumeing Condeeleza Rice had some degree of agency in her role of Secretary of State, it's hard to even hold President Bush accountable for all of her actions.
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The bush administration asserted that it could detain anyone without a trial and torture them. This is not equivalent to any average administration as you implied.
The current administration asserted that it has the right to assassinate anyone it wants, American citizen or not, outside of a battlefield, without any oversight or due process.
That's why the US citizen should not elect the same PMs or (maybe) even the same party (although If I were a US citizen I'd sure as hell be a democrat).
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#314Weren't John Kerry and Hillary Clinton arguably equally responsible for any war that Condy supported? The voted for the funds that made it possible, how is that less responsible for the results?
If you put together a list of companies that the politicians who voted for the Iraq war were board members of...you'd be boycotting a lot of companies.
My argument exactly. Isn't Chuck Hagel on the board of PBS, Chevron, Deutsche Bank etc.
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There is a difference between Eich and Rice. Eich didn't torture and murder people.
You are inferring that being in a US administration while US sanctioned murder and torture occurs, means that the leader therefore murdered and tortured people. Which puts Condi in a large group of people: nearly every member of a US administration in the last century. Edit: Jesus. A lot of people missed the point of what I said. All I did was argue the issue is more nuanced than "[Condi Rice] tortured and murdered p…
Oh please, the role was much much bigger than being part of an administration. And this isn't some stupid conspiracy theory, these are the outcome of senate committee investigations.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice#Role_in_author...
>Role in authorizing use of controversial interrogation techniques
>A Senate Intelligence Committee reported that on July 17, 2002, Rice met with CIA director George Tenet to personally convey the Bush administration's approval of the proposed waterboarding of alleged Al Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah. "Days after Dr Rice gave Mr Tenet her approval, the Justice Department approved the use of waterboarding in a top secret August 1 memo."[62]
>Waterboarding is considered to be torture by a wide range of authorities, including legal experts,[63][64][65][66] war veterans,[67][68] intelligence officials,[69] military judges,[70] human rights organizations,[71][72][73][74][75][76][77][78] the U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder,[79] and many senior politicians, including U.S. President Barack Obama.[80]
>In 2003 Rice, Vice President Dick Cheney and Attorney General John Ashcroft met with the CIA again and were briefed on the use of waterboarding and other methods including week-long sleep deprivation, forced nudity and the use of stress positions. The Senate report says that the Bush administration officials "reaffirmed that the CIA program was lawful and reflected administration policy".[62]
>The Senate report also "suggests Miss Rice played a more significant role than she acknowledged in written testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee submitted in the autumn."[62] At that time, she had acknowledged attending meetings to discuss the CIA interrogations, but she claimed that she could not recall the details, and she "omitted her direct role in approving the programme in her written statement to the committee."[81]
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#317Consider that when acting under uncertainty, intelligent, informed people of good will can examine the same set of facts and reach different conclusions. It has become an article of faith that the Bush administration acted in bad faith about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, while all that really has ever been shown is that they were tragically, woefully and extraordinarily wrong. How intelligent, well educated pe…
One thing I can't stand is about our hyper-partisan culture is that attacking someone from one side is seen as 100% political and there are posts like these that are trying to be "even" when, in fact, it's you yourself that is being partisan here. >It has become an article of faith that the Bush administration acted in bad faith about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, while all that really has ever been shown is t…
The article you point to, to be clear, relies on reports from two non-profit (not not non-partisan) journalism watchdogs. And what they come up with is 'false statements'. They won't go so far as to call them lies, because to be a lie the statement has to be believed to be false by the speaker.
You seem to reach the conclusion that it is inconceivable that the Bush Administration believed their own arguments. I not only find conceivable, I think its probably likely. Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence. There's certainly room for moral revulsion for the Bush Administration -- negligently acting to cause destruction and loss of life at such a scale makes one culpable nonetheless.
I am not interested in arguing the WMD in Iraq debate. I ask you to please assume good faith on the part of your ideological opponents. Try to understand their arguments on their terms, and see where you differ fundamentally.
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#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn't know they were on the board of directors of Dropbox. Very interesting. Yes: a large percentage of the politicians in power today are responsible for the heinous crimes against humanity being committed, even yet daily, in the name of the American people - and YES, you SHOULD hold them accountable, since - as an American - you, yourself, are also responsible for the heinous actions of your nation state.
So you also never eat ketchup as well, right? What about making sure that you never buy gasoline from a major, evil gas producer? Are all of your clothing options carefully selected and verified as to not benefit from child labor? And, of course, you didn't write that message on an Apple product, since they are assembled in what are essentially slave labor camps?
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#319Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a difference between Eich and Rice. Eich didn't torture and murder people.
You are inferring that being in a US administration while US sanctioned murder and torture occurs, means that the leader therefore murdered and tortured people. Which puts Condi in a large group of people: nearly every member of a US administration in the last century. Edit: Jesus. A lot of people missed the point of what I said. All I did was argue the issue is more nuanced than "[Condi Rice] tortured and murdered p…
Similar to the large group of bankers responsible for the housing crash in 2008....
"Well it's a BIG group and it would be REALLY hard to go after all of them so lets just fine them and parade that around as win while the criminals responsible go free"
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#320Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a difference between Eich and Rice. Eich didn't torture and murder people.
You are inferring that being in a US administration while US sanctioned murder and torture occurs, means that the leader therefore murdered and tortured people. Which puts Condi in a large group of people: nearly every member of a US administration in the last century. Edit: Jesus. A lot of people missed the point of what I said. All I did was argue the issue is more nuanced than "[Condi Rice] tortured and murdered p…
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