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Post by maxcan »

jshen wrote: post #137
netcan wrote: post #100

I'm not American, so this is a little removed for me. In truth I don't really see big enough (non cosmetic) differences between the parties or administrations to justify the partisanship you guys seem to have. What bother me here is not Condoleezza Rice specifically. Every ranking official of any country (or company) owns a big share of that country's sins and there are no "clean" administrations. Complicity is the p…

The bush administration asserted that it could detain anyone without a trial and torture them. This is not equivalent to any average administration as you implied.

The current administration asserted that it has the right to assassinate anyone it wants, American citizen or not, outside of a battlefield, without any oversight or due process.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by vdaniuk »

bmj wrote: post #165
jshen wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bush administration asserted that it could detain anyone without a trial and torture them. This is not equivalent to any average administration as you implied.

And the current, Democratic, administration hasn't exactly rolled back many of these changes, right? My point isn't to criticize the Obama administration, but rather ask: if Hillary Clinton was asked to serve on the board of $your_favorite_service, would you consider dropping that service?

I am not an American, so I am not really acquainted with transgressions of Hillary Clinton but if the tech community would provide the reasons to do so, I would definitely quit using the service.

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Post by dragonwriter »

frogpelt wrote: post #171
jshen wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bush admin asserted that it could detain anyone without a trial and torture them. You know, they were trying to do good. We should just let that slide.

Let's see, is that better or worse than a drone strike? I guess President Obama is trying to keep you alive so it's okay if he takes out a few miscreant citizens with drone strikes, right? (And this is why these discussions belong somewhere else, not on Hacker News)

> Let's see, is that better or worse than a drone strike?

That would only be a relevant question if the Bush Admin didn't use those, too.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by cjoh »

While I wish people took more moral stances like this, I feel like it's nonsensical to worry about Condi Rice, and worry more about the broken incentives around the financial system that Dropbox is headed for. Goldman Sachs is a substantial investor in Dropbox. Where were the cries to drop dropbox then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_Sachs#Controversies

Or the ideology "fiduciary responsibility" for public companies, which involve companies like Google and Apple hoarding money offshore and using sophisticated accounting tricks to avoid paying taxes?

I'd like to see more of our "I AM OUTRAGED" efforts be aimed more towards the systems that cause our problems than the people who arise from them.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by BaronVonAwesome »

tomasien wrote: post #52

Dropping Mozilla because Eich is anti-gay-marriage made sense to me because Mozilla is the beacon of open source. Mozilla belongs to us in a very personal way, many of us have contributed code to Firefox personally. But Condi Rice joining a completely private Dropbox as a board member - this is a non-issue. I'm as strongly anti-Bush administration and anti-war in general (especially the Iraq War - good grief) as anyo…

"Dropping" Eich or getting rid of Mozilla because you disagree with someone's point of view on a single issue is pretty extreme.

You may find that literally hundreds of good and/or services you currently use are the brainchild of someone or is being headed by someone who has many ideals you also disagree with. You might be left with nothing.

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Post by unreal37 »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #189
tomasien wrote: post #52

Dropping Mozilla because Eich is anti-gay-marriage made sense to me because Mozilla is the beacon of open source. Mozilla belongs to us in a very personal way, many of us have contributed code to Firefox personally. But Condi Rice joining a completely private Dropbox as a board member - this is a non-issue. I'm as strongly anti-Bush administration and anti-war in general (especially the Iraq War - good grief) as anyo…

>> "Dropping Mozilla because Eich is anti-gay-marriage made sense to me because Mozilla is the beacon of open source. Mozilla belongs to us in a very personal way, many of us have contributed code to Firefox personally." I feel the opposite. Eich's opinion (which I don't agree with) was unlikely to impact his work. Rice was part of the administration that created PRISM. I don't want her anywhere near a company I'm su…

You have a point. One can say that Condi Rice's lies as the National Security Advisor led to 100,000+ civilian deaths in Iraq.

Yet some people see it worse that Eich, the inventor of Javascript which arguably powers the modern web, was the CEO of Mozilla.

It's an interesting rationalization process.

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Post by mkohlmyr »

frogpelt wrote: post #171
jshen wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bush admin asserted that it could detain anyone without a trial and torture them. You know, they were trying to do good. We should just let that slide.

Let's see, is that better or worse than a drone strike? I guess President Obama is trying to keep you alive so it's okay if he takes out a few miscreant citizens with drone strikes, right? (And this is why these discussions belong somewhere else, not on Hacker News)

While I'm not a particular fan of this digression, in the defense of the guy you replied to he never said Obama was any better. You are the one making his argument partisan.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by chasing »

netcan wrote: post #100

I'm not American, so this is a little removed for me. In truth I don't really see big enough (non cosmetic) differences between the parties or administrations to justify the partisanship you guys seem to have. What bother me here is not Condoleezza Rice specifically. Every ranking official of any country (or company) owns a big share of that country's sins and there are no "clean" administrations. Complicity is the p…

> In truth I don't really see big enough (non cosmetic) differences between the parties or administrations to justify the partisanship you guys seem to have.

Then you don't know American politics.

How different might the country be had Gore been seated as President in 2001 after winning the election?

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by krallja »

EC1 wrote: post #128
Touche wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but tempered reasoning like this is not acceptable in the maximalist society we have today. You must be absolutely certain about every issue and realize that those who disagree are evil, intentionally so, full-stop.

> You must be absolutely certain about every issue When was the last time you were absolutely certain about something? Are you always absolutely certain in your day to day life, let alone in the shoes of someone like Rice?

WHOOSH
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