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Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by ark15 »

LanceH wrote: post #69
acutelyobtuse wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not meant to sound challenging, I have used and, both loved and loathed, some JIRA setups. A lot of it might be implementation. But as for the question, again not challenging, just curious: What do you suggest as empowering, out-of-the-way, issue tracking software?

I've really liked fogbugz.

I second that. I sometimes wonder why FogBugz+Kiln combination has not 'caught on' as much as other offerings like github, atlassian products, etc.

My only (but major) gripe I have with FogBugz is that it is stupidly hard to insert inline images in cases (compared to how easy it is in a github issue)..and while at it, the entire editor could use a makeover for ease of use/markdown capability

Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by bowbles »

Karunamon wrote: post #134
madeofpalk wrote: post #96

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> They really make awesome products Oh dear god. As an employee at a medium sized company that uses Jira and Confluence, I have to disagree. I'm sure people out there have managed to wrangle and configure Jira into something usable, but it's implementation where I work has been just horrible. And confluence... Apart from being just slow and unreliable, it's text editor gives me nightmares. I mean, all due respect for…

I'll be the first to admit that both of those applications are the source of much misery if mishandled. JIRA especially, considering how many layers deep you can go sometimes. This issue type belongs to this scheme which uses this screen in some issue types but not others, that's designed in another scheme... aiya. It gets complicated. Unfortunately, that's enterprise for you. Basic human logic is often insufficient…

Markdown support is not native in Confluence, but they have definitely delivered some workarounds for this:

https://marketplace.atlassian.com/plugins/com.atlassian.plug...

Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by bowbles »

optimusclimb wrote: post #117
lnanek2 wrote: post #105

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Generally they seem good at convincing management they offer some business like value add none of the users actually want. I've been at companies where we had to switch to their really poor wiki product, Confluence, instead of free and better alternatives because Confluence allowed management to lock down editing permissions on individual pages in a more detailed manner. Note that I then spent weeks trying to get acc…

Going through this right now. Loved writing internal developer docs in github markdown. Quick and painless. Confluence...not so much.

I posted the same thing above but you can use https://marketplace.atlassian.com/plugins/com.atlassian.plug... to work around this.

Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by i386 »

rplnt wrote: post #148
i386 wrote: post #118

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Sorry to hear that you are having trouble with Bamboo. I'm Product Manager for Bamboo at Atlassian, so I'd be interested in looking into the problems and use cases you are having issues with. Feel free to drop me a line at james@atlassian.com and ill setup a time to give you a call.

Any basic functionality found elsewhere would be helpful really. It might integrate nicely, but it can't do much past running a script that would take care of everything (build-wise). Variables? Not really. Conditions? Not at all. Final steps? Nope. Documentation (at least of API) is not that great. If it is available since atlassian's Confluence seems to be down most of the time. The API itself is pretty weak as wel…

I'd love to dig into those specific points with you. My email address is in this thread.

Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by Karunamon »

bowbles wrote: post #162
Karunamon wrote: post #134

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I'll be the first to admit that both of those applications are the source of much misery if mishandled. JIRA especially, considering how many layers deep you can go sometimes. This issue type belongs to this scheme which uses this screen in some issue types but not others, that's designed in another scheme... aiya. It gets complicated. Unfortunately, that's enterprise for you. Basic human logic is often insufficient…

Markdown support is not native in Confluence, but they have definitely delivered some workarounds for this: https://marketplace.atlassian.com/plugins/com.atlassian.plug...

I was not aware that existed! You've just made a lot of people very happy, thank you!

Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by LanceH »

ark15 wrote: post #161
LanceH wrote: post #69

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I've really liked fogbugz.

I second that. I sometimes wonder why FogBugz+Kiln combination has not 'caught on' as much as other offerings like github, atlassian products, etc. My only (but major) gripe I have with FogBugz is that it is stupidly hard to insert inline images in cases (compared to how easy it is in a github issue)..and while at it, the entire editor could use a makeover for ease of use/markdown capability

I think it comes down to pricing for a lot of people. $300 a year per user basically and you don't own anything at the end of that term. $7200 a year for 25-150 doesn't seem so bad once you get up to 100+ users. $300 a year might not be bad for a developer who is in it every day, or a PM who keeps track of these things every day, but for that person who gets called in to fix one thing it can be expensive.

The price is steep for the most price sensitive users who probably already have experience in another tracking system. It's hard to get that user to try it the first time. Even the free version is very limited compared to other trials, allowing a total of 2 users, which probably isn't representative of the number of people involved when issue tracking is brought up.

Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by cheetahtech »

primitivesuave wrote: post #127
cheetahtech wrote: post #49

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I really appreciate this comment. I have a start up I have been working on for almost 2 years. I am bringing in money, but not enough yet to be life sustaining. So I have a full time job and working every day on this startup. It can get rather tiring... I was questioning its worth the other day, to keep going or to wait. But I must keep going. It doesn't take a year, but rather its a long drawn out process.

I wish I had your kind of attitude a year ago - me and a former cofounder gave up on a promising enterprise startup idea within a few months because we were generating way less money than we had expected. If you're bringing in money you're definitely doing something right, and you're doing better than 50% of enterprise startups out there. I'm glad you're sticking with it because it is indeed a very long and drawn-out…

Thanks for that.

Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by Guvante »

dredmorbius wrote: post #64
Guvante wrote: post #35

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It is hard to compare companies that are bought out, since they are valued higher due to the network affects with their new parent company. i.e. if Instagram had a valuation of $800 million the $1 billion purchase price could make sense if Facebook believes their combination could produce the difference in price.

It's not just network effects. Purchase of Snapchat at $21 billion, or Bebo at $870 million, had a lot to do with attempted strategic positioning and/or edging out competitors who were eyeing acquisition. Doesn't always mean the acq will perform to price.

But those are network effects. If I buy a product and kill it and make more money than if I had not purchased, then it was good acquisition.

Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by startupranks »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #120
startupranks wrote: post #80

Now #11 on www.thestartup100.com > 1/3 of the top 100 are SaaS, but not all are purely enterprise.

Assuming from your username that this is your site, sorry if that's wrong. Anyway, how do you define a "startup"? Some of these companies are over a decade old (eg Atlassian), some have over a $B of funding (eg Dropbox), and a couple (Box, GoPro) seem to be pretty much at IPO. Also they're all in America, is that intentional or could you genuinely not find any non-US startup valued at over $225M?

The list is pre-IPO / private tech companies. There are several non US companies on the list - e.g., Spotify, Atlassian. Also, note that you can sign up to add or edit companies. It's a collaborative list and dynamic. Thanks for the feedback.
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