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Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by letstryagain »

madeofpalk wrote: post #96
malanj wrote: post #8

Really cool that you can reach that kind of valuation with a basket of products, rather than a single run-away network effect fueled win. I find it very inspirational that they do that well by building great software that people love. also: They really make awesome products (we use BitBucket, HipChat and Confluence)

> They really make awesome products Oh dear god. As an employee at a medium sized company that uses Jira and Confluence, I have to disagree. I'm sure people out there have managed to wrangle and configure Jira into something usable, but it's implementation where I work has been just horrible. And confluence... Apart from being just slow and unreliable, it's text editor gives me nightmares. I mean, all due respect for…

Do you prefer Fogbugz over the Atlassian bug tracker?

Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by rgrieselhuber »

pinaceae wrote: post #113
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just came across their story the other day - really inspiring. I'd love to hear the full story of how they did it. They are in a super specialized market, so I'm guessing that helped.

yes, we are tackling a single vertical, life sciences - with multiple SaaS products. the core vision is the industry cloud. by being super specialized, the cost of sale is massively lower. no need for an army of sales people. focus is on product and delivery/implementation - once it is proven that your stuff actually works, others take notice in a tightly knit industry. Eli Lilly, one of our customers, just got award…

That's really interesting. I'd love to ask some questions - if you don't mind emailing me (address is in profile).

Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by prav »

madeofpalk wrote: post #96
malanj wrote: post #8

Really cool that you can reach that kind of valuation with a basket of products, rather than a single run-away network effect fueled win. I find it very inspirational that they do that well by building great software that people love. also: They really make awesome products (we use BitBucket, HipChat and Confluence)

> They really make awesome products Oh dear god. As an employee at a medium sized company that uses Jira and Confluence, I have to disagree. I'm sure people out there have managed to wrangle and configure Jira into something usable, but it's implementation where I work has been just horrible. And confluence... Apart from being just slow and unreliable, it's text editor gives me nightmares. I mean, all due respect for…

Try out the new versions of Jira and Confluence which seem much better. The user experience depends on how both these are managed.

I do wish Jira had much more powerful query, and support for deeper dashboard customization. Compared to ClearQuest, Jira is very user friendly, but CQ felt much more powerful.

Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by jaxb »

dkarapetyan wrote: post #101

I don't understand any of this. Every atlassian product I have ever used has been terrible. All their software is full of performance issues, uncountable UI bugs, and every time we upgrade it's impossible to tell whether we lost any data in the process and several times we have lost data. Their continuous integration server, Bamboo, is pretty to look at but unusable except for the lightest of use cases. The message b…

Actually, they seem to be taking 'enterprise' seriously now (JIRA Data Center and Confluence Data Center are in beta currently).

Promoting their Enterprise Advocate to Enterprise Czar (or BOFH) would be good, so that person could finally force the dev teams to think of scalability first.

Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by onedev »

stephengillie wrote: post #135
stephengillie wrote: post #32

We've had a rough, shaky time using Jira, but it's almost entirely due to internal politics and constantly-shifting business priorities. (aka CEOs and owners who are just megaphones for their corporate customers) We intended to replace our invented-here ticketing system (which has Zendesk integration) with Jira, but instead we integrated Jira into that invented-here ticket system. On the other side, my team has been…

Apparently I'm extremely oversensitive. I'll focus more on not caring about potentially racist, sexist, ageist, Marxist, time-ist, technologist, social, political, extremist, terrorist, traveler's, vice-user, or otherwise self-destructive motives I see expressed by other humans.

Thank you.

Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by caoilte »

e1g wrote: post #136
josegonzalez wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As opposed to all other companies that are started by toddlers?

The "grownups" reference was snide and dismissive of the great work done by young founders - I should not have used it. For context, I was comparing the origin of Atlassian and Workday. Atlassian was started by two 22 year olds through a sizeable credit card debt. Workday was started by a 65 year old ex-PeopleSoft CEO with his funds and an additional $15M in VC finance. "Mature" would have been a better suited word.…

That was quite a grownup mea culpa. Sorry, I meant mature.

Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by caoilte »

letstryagain wrote: post #141
madeofpalk wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They really make awesome products Oh dear god. As an employee at a medium sized company that uses Jira and Confluence, I have to disagree. I'm sure people out there have managed to wrangle and configure Jira into something usable, but it's implementation where I work has been just horrible. And confluence... Apart from being just slow and unreliable, it's text editor gives me nightmares. I mean, all due respect for…

Do you prefer Fogbugz over the Atlassian bug tracker?

I prefer postits.

Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by rplnt »

i386 wrote: post #118
dkarapetyan wrote: post #101

I don't understand any of this. Every atlassian product I have ever used has been terrible. All their software is full of performance issues, uncountable UI bugs, and every time we upgrade it's impossible to tell whether we lost any data in the process and several times we have lost data. Their continuous integration server, Bamboo, is pretty to look at but unusable except for the lightest of use cases. The message b…

Sorry to hear that you are having trouble with Bamboo. I'm Product Manager for Bamboo at Atlassian, so I'd be interested in looking into the problems and use cases you are having issues with. Feel free to drop me a line at james@atlassian.com and ill setup a time to give you a call.

Any basic functionality found elsewhere would be helpful really. It might integrate nicely, but it can't do much past running a script that would take care of everything (build-wise). Variables? Not really. Conditions? Not at all. Final steps? Nope.

Documentation (at least of API) is not that great. If it is available since atlassian's Confluence seems to be down most of the time. The API itself is pretty weak as well. And weird too.. getting an HTML error response on json request? Yay!

All in all, it's one of the worst tools I had to use in the recent years. It looks like a dummy product, just for the sake of it. But at least it's fast I guess. Or I don't get its purpose.

Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by lmm »

lbotos wrote: post #100
dangoor wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're giving the reporter too much credit :) Also, Atlassian is a good deal bigger than GitHub (if measured by revenue, profit, people or valuation), which would seem to put them on the Dropbox side of the analogy

Which is an interesting thought because the common perception (from my chair) is exactly the opposite. A matter of skewed perception, etc, etc.

I think the Bitbucket piece is smaller than Github. But Atlassian also have a whole bunch of enterprise-oriented products, more in the same kind of market as Thoughtworks or one of the big enterprisey lots.

Re: Atlassian Valued at $3.3 Billion

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Post by lmm »

raverbashing wrote: post #6
polskibus wrote: post #3

They do seem to be the best in a very competitive market. There are loads of either commercial or open source issue trackers, wikis, combinations of both, etc. etc. How will they grow past that ? Acqusitions? Writing custom JIRA plugins that will make it more like an ERP ? Ideas?

> There are loads of either commercial or open source issue trackers, wikis, combinations of both, etc. etc Yes, and they all suck. They go from a pain to use (Bugzilla) to a huge mountain of useless and worthless crap with a obscene price tag (Rational tools) It seems to me they are in the right path

Bugzilla is much easier to use than Jira; it does what it needs to (tracks bugs) and gets out of your way, rather than having eleventy different modes and dialog boxes and view rules to confuse you when you just want to resolve bug x.
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