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Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by spydum »

tmm wrote: post #56
wil421 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Employer does this also, all sites are our intranet switch IE into IE7 compatibility mode. Does matter if the need compatibility mode or not. We recently released a version of the web app I am building and I wish you couldve seen the horror on our faces when we saw the app in IE 7 mode.

Well, unless they actually change it in group policy, this is the default action for IE when it connects to anything on what it considers to be Intranet. You can override this by setting X-UA-Compatible to IE=edge as a HTTP header on your server. The equivalent meta tag is ignored in this situation. Or you could ask IT to change group policy, but I have no idea where that setting might live.

You cannot override "Use compatibility mode for all sites". It's a master switch. No X-UA-Compatible header, No meta tag, and no DOCTYPE will save you from this scourge.

Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by kijin »

moron4hire wrote: post #97
kijin wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A large part of the reason why IE6 even works anywhere outside of corporate intranets in 2014 is that we, web developers, have put in countless hours of painful and completely unnecessary work to make it work.

This is the job you signed up for. It's a site easier situation now than 15 years ago. You think supporting browsers is hard now? (I can't believe I get to be the crotchety old man in this thread). Perhaps you don't remember the NN4 vs IE4 days. NN4 didn't even have a DIV tag, it had a LAYER tag, and IE4 didn't have the LAYER tag, it had DIV. The only way to support both with all of the DHTML junk people wanted (like…

Just because I signed up for a job doesn't mean that I have no right to try and make that job less unpleasant, using the force of the collective if necessary.

After all, that's the whole point of progress. How dared our ancestors complain about working 12 hours a day in dangerous coal mines when their own ancestors worked 16 hours a day under even more dangerous conditions? IE4 vs. NN4 was trivial by comparison with that, but the general principle holds.

Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by kijin »

moron4hire wrote: post #93
kijin wrote: post #40

As others have pointed out, IE6 isn't dead yet. Any person or business that is stubborn enough to use IE6 nowadays is probably also stubborn enough to keep using Windows XP for another year or ten. And I'm afraid a lot of us have been complicit in the unusually long life of this dreadful monster, as well as of its just-as-dreadful offspring, IE8. By "us" I mean everyone who has ever developed a website in the last fe…

What you're really saying is that we in the software development and hardware engineering industries have completely failed to provide a compelling, positively reinforcing reason to upgrade. In response, you suggest negative reinforcement, take something away from these "people" [1] rather than give them something. What did I do with my Pentium II 266MHz machine with less hard drive space than I have RAM now? I (play…

> [1] You do seem to talk about them like they are animals

Few people choose to use IE6 of their own free will. Most IE6 users are stuck with IE6 because a large bureaucracy told them to do so. And when talking about large bureaucracies, I find it entirely appropriate to talk in terms of positive and negative incentives and reinforcements because that's the language they understand the best.

And I agree with you that, in some sense, we really haven't changed much in the last 10-20 years. There's been massive quantitative improvement, but that doesn't necessarily translate to qualitative changes.

Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by kijin »

wging wrote: post #129
kijin wrote: post #40

As others have pointed out, IE6 isn't dead yet. Any person or business that is stubborn enough to use IE6 nowadays is probably also stubborn enough to keep using Windows XP for another year or ten. And I'm afraid a lot of us have been complicit in the unusually long life of this dreadful monster, as well as of its just-as-dreadful offspring, IE8. By "us" I mean everyone who has ever developed a website in the last fe…

IE10 is too aggressive a goal. Can't require OS upgrades...

Chrome and Firefox work just fine in Windows XP.
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