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Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by mscarborough »

jader201 wrote: post #109
eli wrote: post #45

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> If we really want to kill IE[6-8], we need to do something more drastic, and do so with extreme prejudice. How about we all agree upon a certain date on which we intentionally break our websites and services for IE6 users? Maybe for a blog, but I'm not telling 10%+ of my customers to piss off. If the cost of supporting them outweighs the value of their business then I won't support them any more. But I would never…

Just curious, any idea why you have so many users (10%) still on IE8 or under? I just checked my usage, and I only have 8% using IE period -- all versions. Of those, only 8% are on IE8 or under -- which is only 0.6% of all users.

We work in healthcare software, and IE7/IE8 support is mandatory, otherwise we'd be ignoring potential customers and losing current ones. Sure, they have iPads now, but healthcare IT moves really slow and we have to support that pace.

It's really not as simple as stated above. It's not up to us to kill it off.

Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by BenefitOfDoubt »

I never understood why IE updating lags so far behind. It is free. I understand why updating the OS is a bigger deal. It costs money and is a huge change that involves a lot of work for some.

I suppose Microsoft is partially to blame. You can install any version of Chrome and Firefox on XP, but only up to IE8.

Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by steveklabnik »

astrodust wrote: post #156
wslh wrote: post #64

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Any person or business that is stubborn enough to use IE6 nowadays is probably also stubborn enough to keep using Windows XP for another year or ten. No, two things: i) It's not about being stubborn. Companies have invested a lot of money and time to run critical applications. Even if they have the money the risk of migration is high. ii) They have already migrated to newer browsers! they just run IE6 side by side wi…

Why can't we write a super hack-ass extension for Chrome that emulates IE6, warts and all? Then just src it.

The opposite was actually tried by Google for a while: https://www.google.com/chromeframe?prefersystemlevel=true

You've also got https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ie-tab/hehijbfgiek...

Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by sorahn »

jader201 wrote: post #109
eli wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If we really want to kill IE[6-8], we need to do something more drastic, and do so with extreme prejudice. How about we all agree upon a certain date on which we intentionally break our websites and services for IE6 users? Maybe for a blog, but I'm not telling 10%+ of my customers to piss off. If the cost of supporting them outweighs the value of their business then I won't support them any more. But I would never…

Just curious, any idea why you have so many users (10%) still on IE8 or under? I just checked my usage, and I only have 8% using IE period -- all versions. Of those, only 8% are on IE8 or under -- which is only 0.6% of all users.

We suspect that most of our winxp/IE<8 traffic comes from people stuck in corporations that haven't/can't upgrade with no privileges on their computer.

Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by pyabo »

eli wrote: post #45
kijin wrote: post #40

As others have pointed out, IE6 isn't dead yet. Any person or business that is stubborn enough to use IE6 nowadays is probably also stubborn enough to keep using Windows XP for another year or ten. And I'm afraid a lot of us have been complicit in the unusually long life of this dreadful monster, as well as of its just-as-dreadful offspring, IE8. By "us" I mean everyone who has ever developed a website in the last fe…

> If we really want to kill IE[6-8], we need to do something more drastic, and do so with extreme prejudice. How about we all agree upon a certain date on which we intentionally break our websites and services for IE6 users? Maybe for a blog, but I'm not telling 10%+ of my customers to piss off. If the cost of supporting them outweighs the value of their business then I won't support them any more. But I would never…

It's not that easy. I worked supporting Virtual IE6 users and they use it in the context of a Java based internal web application or a web application which requires some specific ActiveX that only work with IE6. In general, to migrate these applications are a nightmare and the IE6 is only connected to an internal site, it never connects to internet.

Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by apaprocki »

jackmoore wrote: post #151
apaprocki wrote: post #108

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Here's bloomberg.com: IE represents 25.00% IE6 0.11% IE7 3.20% IE8 34.39% IE9 32.94% IE10 16.48% IE11 12.87%

That's really interesting, how did you get these statistics (do you work for Bloomberg, or do they have this publicly available somewhere)?

I work for Bloomberg. (And yes, I verified that web guys didn't mind sharing the numbers :))

Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by capnjngl »

apaprocki wrote: post #108
olegkikin wrote: post #23

Just checked the analytics on a non-IT website: IE represents 10.45% Out of that: IE6 .28% IE7 2.03% IE8 19.81% IE9 16.57% IE10 16.15% IE11 45.13%

Here's bloomberg.com: IE represents 25.00% IE6 0.11% IE7 3.20% IE8 34.39% IE9 32.94% IE10 16.48% IE11 12.87%

An apparel client in the US over the last 90 days:

    IE6    0.07%
    IE7    1.33%
    IE8   19.44%
    IE9   18.67%
    IE10  16.24%
    IE11  44.25%

Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by jongalloway2 »

If you're maintaining sites that are difficult to upgrade, I'd recommend looking at IE11 Enterprise Mode. It lets you run with pretty good IE8 compatibility (e.g. ActiveX) in IE11, taking advantage of improved speed, security, and base OS improvements.

20 slide deck: http://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=http%3a%2f%...

docs: http://technet.microsoft.com/library/dn640687.aspx

good blog post: http://love2dev.com/#!article/The-New-Internet-Explorer-Ente...

Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by kamjam »

mpyne wrote: post #153
eli wrote: post #45

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> If we really want to kill IE[6-8], we need to do something more drastic, and do so with extreme prejudice. How about we all agree upon a certain date on which we intentionally break our websites and services for IE6 users? Maybe for a blog, but I'm not telling 10%+ of my customers to piss off. If the cost of supporting them outweighs the value of their business then I won't support them any more. But I would never…

I keep trying to imagine developers deliberately breaking their source code to fail in Bill Joy's vi to force users to upgrade to vim. IE6 is certainly nowhere near as capable as modern browser but if you don't need fancy HTML and whamodyne JS then maybe it's not such a handicap after all?

I agree with you. If you build your site with Progressive Enhancement then there really should be very little you need to do. We never support IE6, but generally will support IE8 and occasionally depending on the client need to support IE7 too. Sometimes the css is screwed up with IE6 (if we even bother to test it) and it's just a case of a small tweek to a style but we wont go out of our way to fix it (or make any thorough testing)
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