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Re: Doug Cutting Leaves Yahoo for Cloudera

#11

Post by joshu »

rjurney wrote: post #8
joshu wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since when is Yahoo cool?

Since they hired Doug, gave us Hadoop, Pig, YUI etc? Since their home page started being a great portal for normal people? Since Yahoo Labs started churning out the awesome? Since they've given more to FOSS than any other company, ever? By any standard other than 'Web 2.0 Douchebag' - Yahoo is SUPREMELY cool, whatever you think of their long-term prospects or what might have been.

And, you know, killed a lot of good startups, wasted a lot of engineers' time, etc.

"gave us Hadoop" -> let Doug do what he wanted.

I'm not convinced they've "given more to FOSS" - significant examples other than Hadoop and Doug's work?

Perhaps I spent too much time inside that particular sausage factory.

Would you go work there, right now?

Re: Doug Cutting Leaves Yahoo for Cloudera

#13

Post by adw »

joshu wrote: post #11
rjurney wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since they hired Doug, gave us Hadoop, Pig, YUI etc? Since their home page started being a great portal for normal people? Since Yahoo Labs started churning out the awesome? Since they've given more to FOSS than any other company, ever? By any standard other than 'Web 2.0 Douchebag' - Yahoo is SUPREMELY cool, whatever you think of their long-term prospects or what might have been.

And, you know, killed a lot of good startups, wasted a lot of engineers' time, etc. "gave us Hadoop" -> let Doug do what he wanted. I'm not convinced they've "given more to FOSS" - significant examples other than Hadoop and Doug's work? Perhaps I spent too much time inside that particular sausage factory. Would you go work there, right now?

I'm slightly intimidated to reply to you, but YUI and YSlow are pretty significant if you're a front-end guy.

Re: Doug Cutting Leaves Yahoo for Cloudera

#14

Post by rjurney »

joshu wrote: post #11
rjurney wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since they hired Doug, gave us Hadoop, Pig, YUI etc? Since their home page started being a great portal for normal people? Since Yahoo Labs started churning out the awesome? Since they've given more to FOSS than any other company, ever? By any standard other than 'Web 2.0 Douchebag' - Yahoo is SUPREMELY cool, whatever you think of their long-term prospects or what might have been.

And, you know, killed a lot of good startups, wasted a lot of engineers' time, etc. "gave us Hadoop" -> let Doug do what he wanted. I'm not convinced they've "given more to FOSS" - significant examples other than Hadoop and Doug's work? Perhaps I spent too much time inside that particular sausage factory. Would you go work there, right now?

I feel like YDN is pretty meaty. And yes, 'Let Doug do what he wanted and paid him, and gave us Hadoop and Pig with great docs, along with YUI' is a pretty strong contribution.

I've never worked there, but if I could work on a cool project - yes, I would.

You do sound like you have a unique perspective :) I've always heard nothing but bad things about Yahoo management, and if they acquired my baby and kilt it I'm sure I'd hate them too. Don't the cash and freedom make up for it, somewhat?

Re: Doug Cutting Leaves Yahoo for Cloudera

#15

Post by joshu »

rjurney wrote: post #14
joshu wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And, you know, killed a lot of good startups, wasted a lot of engineers' time, etc. "gave us Hadoop" -> let Doug do what he wanted. I'm not convinced they've "given more to FOSS" - significant examples other than Hadoop and Doug's work? Perhaps I spent too much time inside that particular sausage factory. Would you go work there, right now?

I feel like YDN is pretty meaty. And yes, 'Let Doug do what he wanted and paid him, and gave us Hadoop and Pig with great docs, along with YUI' is a pretty strong contribution. I've never worked there, but if I could work on a cool project - yes, I would. You do sound like you have a unique perspective :) I've always heard nothing but bad things about Yahoo management, and if they acquired my baby and kilt it I'm sur…

I guess. I think the folks that pay Linus or whatever have done more for OS. Sun's opensolaris, too. MySQL, etc too. Just by sheer weight of code.

The problem is that the number of cool projects is pretty minimal. They're in duck and cover mode. They'll get pushed to trim employees further and further to stretch the revenues out.

I wish I had not sold it to them. The cash and freedom do not even come close; I would rather work on a big, popular product.

Re: Doug Cutting Leaves Yahoo for Cloudera

#16

Post by rjurney »

joshu wrote: post #15
rjurney wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like YDN is pretty meaty. And yes, 'Let Doug do what he wanted and paid him, and gave us Hadoop and Pig with great docs, along with YUI' is a pretty strong contribution. I've never worked there, but if I could work on a cool project - yes, I would. You do sound like you have a unique perspective :) I've always heard nothing but bad things about Yahoo management, and if they acquired my baby and kilt it I'm sur…

I guess. I think the folks that pay Linus or whatever have done more for OS. Sun's opensolaris, too. MySQL, etc too. Just by sheer weight of code. The problem is that the number of cool projects is pretty minimal. They're in duck and cover mode. They'll get pushed to trim employees further and further to stretch the revenues out. I wish I had not sold it to them. The cash and freedom do not even come close; I would r…

I'm overall pretty impressed with Yahoo's commitment to FOSS development of Hadoop. They've done 90% of its development, and they seem very serious about a commitment to open source going forward.

But yeah, I can see how you'd feel like you do.

Re: Doug Cutting Leaves Yahoo for Cloudera

#17

Post by keefe »

joshu wrote: post #15
rjurney wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like YDN is pretty meaty. And yes, 'Let Doug do what he wanted and paid him, and gave us Hadoop and Pig with great docs, along with YUI' is a pretty strong contribution. I've never worked there, but if I could work on a cool project - yes, I would. You do sound like you have a unique perspective :) I've always heard nothing but bad things about Yahoo management, and if they acquired my baby and kilt it I'm sur…

I guess. I think the folks that pay Linus or whatever have done more for OS. Sun's opensolaris, too. MySQL, etc too. Just by sheer weight of code. The problem is that the number of cool projects is pretty minimal. They're in duck and cover mode. They'll get pushed to trim employees further and further to stretch the revenues out. I wish I had not sold it to them. The cash and freedom do not even come close; I would r…

Can't you work on anything you want now that you have the money? If you hadn't sold and some catastrophe struck you, what then? I'm sitting here counting out months of savings and wondering if I'll be able to build what I want to build before debt and daily life grinds me down.

Re: Doug Cutting Leaves Yahoo for Cloudera

#18

Post by dasil003 »

keefe wrote: post #17
joshu wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess. I think the folks that pay Linus or whatever have done more for OS. Sun's opensolaris, too. MySQL, etc too. Just by sheer weight of code. The problem is that the number of cool projects is pretty minimal. They're in duck and cover mode. They'll get pushed to trim employees further and further to stretch the revenues out. I wish I had not sold it to them. The cash and freedom do not even come close; I would r…

Can't you work on anything you want now that you have the money? If you hadn't sold and some catastrophe struck you, what then? I'm sitting here counting out months of savings and wondering if I'll be able to build what I want to build before debt and daily life grinds me down.

Yeah I feel the same as you. But I guess the grass is always greener...

Re: Doug Cutting Leaves Yahoo for Cloudera

#19

Post by SwellJoe »

keefe wrote: post #17
joshu wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess. I think the folks that pay Linus or whatever have done more for OS. Sun's opensolaris, too. MySQL, etc too. Just by sheer weight of code. The problem is that the number of cool projects is pretty minimal. They're in duck and cover mode. They'll get pushed to trim employees further and further to stretch the revenues out. I wish I had not sold it to them. The cash and freedom do not even come close; I would r…

Can't you work on anything you want now that you have the money? If you hadn't sold and some catastrophe struck you, what then? I'm sitting here counting out months of savings and wondering if I'll be able to build what I want to build before debt and daily life grinds me down.

He wasn't broke before the acquisition. A really successful product means you kinda get to do what you want whether you get an "exit" or not. Sure, the big cashout means you can go on a long vacation or something...but how many of us are in it for a long vacation? If I were to sell my company today, I would be thinking about what my next business would be by tomorrow.

Re: Doug Cutting Leaves Yahoo for Cloudera

#20

Post by ivankirigin »

joshu wrote: post #15
rjurney wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like YDN is pretty meaty. And yes, 'Let Doug do what he wanted and paid him, and gave us Hadoop and Pig with great docs, along with YUI' is a pretty strong contribution. I've never worked there, but if I could work on a cool project - yes, I would. You do sound like you have a unique perspective :) I've always heard nothing but bad things about Yahoo management, and if they acquired my baby and kilt it I'm sur…

I guess. I think the folks that pay Linus or whatever have done more for OS. Sun's opensolaris, too. MySQL, etc too. Just by sheer weight of code. The problem is that the number of cool projects is pretty minimal. They're in duck and cover mode. They'll get pushed to trim employees further and further to stretch the revenues out. I wish I had not sold it to them. The cash and freedom do not even come close; I would r…

I can think of two companies with big popular products who would hire you.
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