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Why UPS Trucks Rarely Turn Left

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Re: Why UPS Trucks Rarely Turn Left

#91
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine the bike lane is on the right. Now if cars are moving slowly you as a cyclist will be passing them on their right ("undertaking"). This is unsafe near the places where cars turn right (across the bike lane).

In California: 1. A bicyclist does not need to stay to the right of the road when approaching a place where right turns are allowed (i.e. can leave the bike lane). 2. Vehicles are required to merge into the bike lane before making a right turn, otherwise it's consider making a turn without being in the rightmost lane. Not to say I've ever seen a single car in the bay area correctly merge to the bike lane before turni…

A complication is when a car (or bus at bus stop, or whatever) is parked in the bike lane, or immediately on the curb lane, just before the right turn lane. In that case, it becomes a lot harder to get into the bike lane before making a right turn, and in SF, is a fairly common situation.

If you're just worried about cars, it's fairly safe to make the right turn lane from that non-rightmost lane, since the other car is blocking any other car from approaching there. However, bikes (and sometimes motorcyclists, but rarely are they that suicidal) are going to come up, so it's still prudent to both get into the far-right lane and check on the right. That's the most common "cars turning right from non-rightmost lane" situation I've seen, though.

My biggest question about California road rules: what kind of vehicle is a homeless guy with a shopping car full of cans/etc.? Is he a pedestrian (similar to a pedestrian pushing a stroller), or is he a vehicle like a bicycle? What if he's in a lane of traffic, going down the road at 1-2mph (which is reasonable, since he would take up the entire sidewalk otherwise).

Re: Why UPS Trucks Rarely Turn Left

#92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to defend the article too much but the title is accurate. It's imprecise but accurate. "UPS routing algorithms have an extremely strong weighting against left turns outside of residential non-through streets" is well within the errors bars of "UPS trucks don't turn left" when using a tool like conversational English. In fact the less data the article gives the more it should prefer "UPS trucks don't turn left" yo…

The article has the phrase I quoted that says the title is inaccurate. This is HN, shouldn't we at least have some meat and an article that doesn't directly say the title is wrong?

Since the title was false, I changed it to "Why UPS Trucks Rarely Turn Left".

Re: Why UPS Trucks Rarely Turn Left

#93
For people who don't live in North America: If you're at a stop, you follow a "free right" rule where you're allowed to go right even if the traffic lights are red, but as long as there aren't pedestrians crossing.

I can see the free-right policy also being a major factor in this as well but I don't see it mentioned.

Re: Why UPS Trucks Rarely Turn Left

#94
post #11

Amount of fuel saved is actually negligible. With a fleet of 100,000 trucks, it comes out to be less than 1 gallon per truck per year in savings.

It probably only applies to deliveries in dense cities with a grid-like street layout.

Anywhere else and it's probably faster to just make the left turn.

Re: Why UPS Trucks Rarely Turn Left

#96
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that pretty much why you always cycle with the direction of traffic? As a runner, I've been told to run against the flow for safety but almost always run into these types of situations (which is why I mostly go out of my way to run behind the cars stopped at intersections.)

I think the situation being described is more like: ___ ↱↑____ | | TB| | | | | | (where T is the truck, and B the bike, natch).

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Re: Why UPS Trucks Rarely Turn Left

#97
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article has the phrase I quoted that says the title is inaccurate. This is HN, shouldn't we at least have some meat and an article that doesn't directly say the title is wrong?

Since the title was false, I changed it to "Why UPS Trucks Rarely Turn Left".

It wasn't false. "Why UPS Trucks Don't Turn Left" is not "Why UPS Trucks Never Turn Left." If a truck does not turn left at an intersection, you can ask why it didn't turn left, even if it has and will turn left at other intersections.

But really, who cares? What is the obsession with the titles?

Re: Why UPS Trucks Rarely Turn Left

#98
post #11

Amount of fuel saved is actually negligible. With a fleet of 100,000 trucks, it comes out to be less than 1 gallon per truck per year in savings.

They said they saved 10 million gallons of gas, that's 100 gallons per truck which is $30 million with 3 dollar gas. I think you did your math wrong.

10 million gallons is since the program was implemented, which was 10 years ago. Even so, my math was off.

Re: Why UPS Trucks Rarely Turn Left

#99
post #94
post #11

Amount of fuel saved is actually negligible. With a fleet of 100,000 trucks, it comes out to be less than 1 gallon per truck per year in savings.

It probably only applies to deliveries in dense cities with a grid-like street layout. Anywhere else and it's probably faster to just make the left turn.

Good point.

Re: Why UPS Trucks Rarely Turn Left

#100
post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non-optional bicycle lanes make this unavoidable and motorists still lobby for cyclists to be kept of ‘their’ road.

What are optional bike lanes and how do they differ from non-optional bike lanes?

From the sounds of it, an optional bike lane would be a marked lane that only bicycles are allowed to use, but where bicyclists can also legally use the other lanes on the same road.
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