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Re: Can I delete my Skype account?

#31

As far as I know this is about the same process for HN? http://www.accountkiller.com/en/delete-hacker-news-account

I would be happy if they just added a feature to change your username. It's not too difficult to decipher my real identity from my HN username and I'd like to use something more anonymous. And fwiw a couple of years back I tried emailing the addresses mentioned in that link with no luck.

That should be possible, but again... technology.

If it wasn't thought about when the software was designed then it can cause very nasty issues and be hard to rectify.

One of the forums I run on vBulletin has over 4m posts, 2m private messages, 45k users.

vBulletin is MySQL and tries to reduce database load through denormalisation of the data. The posts table has the username repeated every time a post was made, and the private message table has a horrible PHP serialized array containing the username in the "To:" column for a private message.

Changing a username on vBulletin involves an UPDATE statement on the post table, which is fine... but it involves iterating through every private message, de-serialising the To information, modifying and putting back.

And vBulletin is MySQL, and the search is full_text, which means MyISAM tables, and the update of the private message table locks for the duration, and for a large number of private messages the table is locked for 15 minutes on that particular server... which is enough time to cause a domino effect of query waits that PHP runs out of memory and one by one my frontend servers fail and the site goes offline.

Yup, vBulletin will crash and take the site offline if you have a large number of private messages and want to change a username.

You can see the fun of explaining this to the users of one forum over here: https://www.lfgss.com/thread95475.html

This is one of the very many annoyances that has led me to create http://microco.sm/ to fix this (and many other) pain points for admins and users. The software design is stopping users doing things they want to do (change their username).

HN isn't running vBulletin. But the logic is much the same. If it wasn't thought about on day one the data structures likely do not permit an efficient changing of username.

HN is under substantially more load than the forums I run, and dang likely deals with far more performance related issues. I'm sure he can reveal HNs specific design flaw that prevents username changes.

Or perhaps it's just the idea that it's a social problem and that if patio11 changed to patm that it would break the context for all previous mentions of him. Again... software should have solved this, but only if it was thought about early enough. The lack of avatars does mean that the username on HN is a far more critical identifier.

Re: Can I delete my Skype account?

#32

I recently deleted my Linkedin account. But their junk emails continue to dirty my email even now. Next in the line is Skype, and then probably Facebook. Thankfully, I never shared my genuine data with Facebook or opened an a/c on Instagram or Whatsapp ever so I'm good at a certain level when it comes to Facebook. In my opinion Twitter is the only option that is sane at the moment.

username+whatever@gmail.com is delivered to username@gmail.com, so if you add the service name when you sign up it's very easy to block unwanted traffic. It also tells you which service sold your email to spammers.

Re: Can I delete my Skype account?

#33
post #23

The question I'm more interested in is why a sane delete option isn't built into the service. On the other hand, it's at least clear that your account exists forever, although it would be better if people were aware of that during sign up. Twitter claims to have deleted my account, but I cannot verify it. As a side note, amazon affiliate accounts are equally bad.

Presumably if you have an account JohnSmith, that will be held locally on the computers of all your contacts, if the account was deleted and someone else registered a new JohnSmith account then your old contacts could end up calling a complete stranger. Microsoft could have some process that records dead accounts and automatically deletes them from the contact lists of the billions of computers running skype, but ima…

I don't think the reason is to prevent accidental/destructive deletion. There are better ways to do that such as providing a grace period; allowing users to download their account data for a future re-signup; and two-factor authentication.

It's more likely that the revenue earned by the service is heavily dependent on building a social profile. A properly deleted (without a trace) account reduces the profile accuracy. I also wouldn't rule out the almost too obvious government surveillance requirement.

Re: Can I delete my Skype account?

#34
post #29

As far as I know this is about the same process for HN? http://www.accountkiller.com/en/delete-hacker-news-account

Nearly all forums do this or some form of this. Your account and personal information may be deleted, but all of your comments, submissions, conversations, threads or whatever you call the collected bulk of user generated content will remain. The reason for this is that a forum is a collaborative effort, a collective work, and the contributions of other people's content might only make sense in the context of yours.…

I believe users should always be in control of their data (and since it's been produced by them, it their data). Also, if their software breaks after deleting an account the problem is entirely on their part.

Re: Can I delete my Skype account?

#35
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be happy if they just added a feature to change your username. It's not too difficult to decipher my real identity from my HN username and I'd like to use something more anonymous. And fwiw a couple of years back I tried emailing the addresses mentioned in that link with no luck.

That should be possible, but again... technology. If it wasn't thought about when the software was designed then it can cause very nasty issues and be hard to rectify. One of the forums I run on vBulletin has over 4m posts, 2m private messages, 45k users. vBulletin is MySQL and tries to reduce database load through denormalisation of the data. The posts table has the username repeated every time a post was made, and…

> vBulletin is MySQL and tries to reduce database load through denormalisation of the data. The posts table has the username repeated every time a post was made

Just in case an unexperienced developer reads that. Don't do it. If you expect high read loads, better invest your time in learning/thinking about caching, fragment caching, russian doll caching and invalidating these caches. Memcached or Redis come to my mind.

Re: Can I delete my Skype account?

#36
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nearly all forums do this or some form of this. Your account and personal information may be deleted, but all of your comments, submissions, conversations, threads or whatever you call the collected bulk of user generated content will remain. The reason for this is that a forum is a collaborative effort, a collective work, and the contributions of other people's content might only make sense in the context of yours.…

I believe users should always be in control of their data (and since it's been produced by them, it their data). Also, if their software breaks after deleting an account the problem is entirely on their part.

This becomes difficult when you are dealing with distributed systems.

Let's use email as an example - I can close my Gmail account, and Google can delete all of my data off of their systems. There is nothing that either Google or I can do, however, to ensure that everyone I ever sent an email to will delete those messages as well. The messages are now on their computers, out of my reach.

This becomes more evident when it's not a 1:1 message, but a 1:many message, such as Usenet (or Tavern)

Like Gmail, you can delete your account locally, but there's nothing anyone can do that would force other servers to delete the messages they received. Once it's gone, it's gone.

Another example where you might see this is XMPP->XMPP. My AIM client can keep a log of your messages, and even if you delete your AIM account, my logs will remain.

I can entirely understand where you are coming from, but with some classes of systems, I don't know that it's possible to ensure that your data can be entirely erased.

Re: Can I delete my Skype account?

#37
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nearly all forums do this or some form of this. Your account and personal information may be deleted, but all of your comments, submissions, conversations, threads or whatever you call the collected bulk of user generated content will remain. The reason for this is that a forum is a collaborative effort, a collective work, and the contributions of other people's content might only make sense in the context of yours.…

I believe users should always be in control of their data (and since it's been produced by them, it their data). Also, if their software breaks after deleting an account the problem is entirely on their part.

> I believe users should always be in control of their data

Total control?

Does the person who made this submission have the right to delete it even though by doing so they delete your data?

Do other users have the right to delete your data?

Total control for you means denying someone else the right to delete this conversation.

Do other users have the right to redefine your data by changing the context surrounding it?

If you posted "I vote for this too" to some very sound proposal to allow changing of usernames, and then the original author changed the proposal to "Bestiality should be legal", thus suggesting to the world you support such a thing... did the other user have right through the control of their data to substantial modify the context of your data? To the point that the other person could create a personal liability for you?

Where do the lines start and end, if your content can stand alone then the issues are not there. Almost everything in a forum is a discussion, conversation, argument, debate, an interaction depending on the context of other people's content. The minutes of those things are a record of fact, that someone said something and someone else replied and said something else. Content on a forum is never detached from the content of others.

I agree you have the right to your data, but disagree someone has the right to modify those minutes, those records of fact, to impact the data of other people in any way.

A forum is a collective work, and the rules for a collective work are different to the rules of a personal work.

Re: Can I delete my Skype account?

#38
post #8

Skype as software has a lot of issues. Before they were bought by Microsoft the software worked quite well; on my Mac I'm still running an ancient version. Why ? - it got replaced by a version that takes up half your screen, I think they were trying to make a single version for desktop and iPad. After a public outcry they reduced the size somewhat. The latest version has about 3 extra options about the amount of data…

Thanks, I hadn't seen the new option "Allow Microsoft to use your Skype profile information to show you more relevant ads in this application". I'm kind of pissed that there wasn't a message when I upgraded to tell me that this new option appeared and was checked by default.

Re: Can I delete my Skype account?

#39
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe users should always be in control of their data (and since it's been produced by them, it their data). Also, if their software breaks after deleting an account the problem is entirely on their part.

> I believe users should always be in control of their data Total control? Does the person who made this submission have the right to delete it even though by doing so they delete your data? Do other users have the right to delete your data? Total control for you means denying someone else the right to delete this conversation. Do other users have the right to redefine your data by changing the context surrounding it…

I agree that posts shouldn't be deleted. But should the user be able to anonymize his posts when he deletes his account? Such that the username 'JohnDoe' is replaced with 'DeletedUser20140405.42'. IMO that doesn't destroy the readability of the conversation.

Re: Can I delete my Skype account?

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nearly all forums do this or some form of this. Your account and personal information may be deleted, but all of your comments, submissions, conversations, threads or whatever you call the collected bulk of user generated content will remain. The reason for this is that a forum is a collaborative effort, a collective work, and the contributions of other people's content might only make sense in the context of yours.…

I believe users should always be in control of their data (and since it's been produced by them, it their data). Also, if their software breaks after deleting an account the problem is entirely on their part.

Hmm. If someone says something embarrassing in a newspaper interview, should they be allowed to recall and censor all printed issues of that newspaper? Once you knowingly and deliberately enter something in the public record, I'm not so sure you should have the right to unilaterally delete it.
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