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Re: Show HN: InstaMotor – Taking the pain out of selling your car

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My biggest question is about the test-drive. How do those work? What stops someone from taking a 1 hour test-drive? (and wasting you gas on their errands) If someone gets in an accident during a test-drive who is liable? Do all insurance plans cover this? What does remote-key access mean? "We verify all buyers and schedule flexible test-drives with remote key access." How quickly do you plan on expanding to other sta…

>> Your site has a 1px left margin which is making a horizontal scrollbar which is annoying me. @media screen and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 0) html { margin-left: 1px; }

Lol, Only on HN :)

Re: Show HN: InstaMotor – Taking the pain out of selling your car

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Great idea - good luck guys! Related note for the HN community, while we're on the subject: Unless you have time & money to burn, you really should never never never trade your car into the dealership. It's the worst price you're going to get along the used car supply chain. And even if you think you're getting a good price, it's because you're probably pairing it with buying a car (and paying too much for the car yo…

The gap between what people are getting for trade-in value and what people end up paying for the exact same car always blows my mind. Some of it can be explained by the need to finance the 2nd most expensive purchase made by the average person (the 1st being a home). However, anyone with a half-decent credit score can get a loan from a bank or credit union. Those loans almost always have a better rate than a dealer w…

disclaimer, this is just my experience, I don't know that this happens at all dealerships, but I suspect it does

CC, it's actually a little more insidious than that; dealerships have always survived on the asymmetry of information between dealer and buyer. Not to sensationalize, this happens in roughly 30% of sales, (usually by the sales person without actually thinking about it)... 1. A person has seen a car online that they want. They may do the legwork and research the car. 2. The walk into the dealership looking to buy the car. The 1 thing people don't think about (generally) is the financing. 3. They find out that they don't have the credit, income, etc... to actually finance that car. 4. The sales person "places" them on a new car, one that they haven't researched. 5. The buyer gets caught up in the moment, falls in love with a car etc... They buy the car for way more than its worth.

This is why Dealers hate companies like TrueCar. It destroys the asymmetry. It's also why dealerships are getting squeezed; the average deal takes a few hours, in that time, people can use their phones to check the car they're buying.

It's an interesting dynamic.

Re: Show HN: InstaMotor – Taking the pain out of selling your car

#193
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post #132

Great idea - good luck guys! Related note for the HN community, while we're on the subject: Unless you have time & money to burn, you really should never never never trade your car into the dealership. It's the worst price you're going to get along the used car supply chain. And even if you think you're getting a good price, it's because you're probably pairing it with buying a car (and paying too much for the car yo…

One point that your write up doesn't take into account is that a car dealer can get more for a car, the same, car, in general, than a private seller can. A car dealer can put a short or longer term warranty on a car that gives a buyer confidence. If you are buying a used Honda from a Honda dealer who is reputable (and my guess is that is 99% of them are or they wouldn't remain franchised), as opposed to the local use…

Hey Larry,

1. Warranty - We've actually talked about a lot of these items, including adding a warranty on top of the cars we represent. We'd be able to do this because we do a mechanical inspection on each car. The 1 thing we can't do is add CPO (that's manufacturer only).

2. Experienced Sales People - sales person turnover is roughly 50% per year at the average dealership. Because of this, dealerships don't spent money on sales person training. Experienced sales people are difficult to get.

We're working on it and want to add more value than dealerships for less!

I'd love to talk more. If you're interested, please email me at val@instamotor.com

Re: Show HN: InstaMotor – Taking the pain out of selling your car

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post #132

Great idea - good luck guys! Related note for the HN community, while we're on the subject: Unless you have time & money to burn, you really should never never never trade your car into the dealership. It's the worst price you're going to get along the used car supply chain. And even if you think you're getting a good price, it's because you're probably pairing it with buying a car (and paying too much for the car yo…

If you sell to a dealership that will sell the car themselves, you have some wiggle room on the trade-in price because you're cutting out 2 middlemen (wholesaler and auction). Also, don't forget the tax benefit you get by the lower price of the care you're buying. Not sure if this is new cars only but that offset can be thousands, depending on the trade-in value and new car cost.

Josh,

The average dealership doesn't know if they're going to keep a car for their own inventory or going to sell it at auction/wholesale until they own it. Standard procedure is to purchase a car (purchase = take it on trade-in/buy it) and then have the mechanics inspect it to see what it needs done on it to get it back out to sell. If it's too expensive, they wholesale/auction it. This means, 90% of the time, they default to offering you the lowest value.

Re: Show HN: InstaMotor – Taking the pain out of selling your car

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, CarMax is sort of the model that we looked at. They are the only player in town that had the scale necessary to apply modern business management principals to their business. But they're margins are paper thin. Too much overhead.

Dumb fact: CarMax was developed by the old Circuit City.

I'm actually very impressed by it. They found a market that is highly fragmented and tried to consolidate. The interesting thing is that they it took them forever to make a profit (and tons of funding). It's great to see, but in my (biased) opinion, they didn't go far enough.

Re: Show HN: InstaMotor – Taking the pain out of selling your car

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Hi Guys,

Nicholas here. I started Carlypso.com last summer when Chris (my co-founder) and I had helped a number of our classmates sell their used cars after graduation.

About 9 months ago, I had the pleasure of dealing with Instamotor founder Sy when he bought his Audi A4 with our help. His feedback over email was really encouraging:

"About your idea:

1. I was looking a bit at ways to remotely unlock a car over a network connection. It seems to me that the technology story around that is a bit weak, but not completely infeasible. First, there's automatic (http://www.automatic.com/) though i don't know if they'll ever ship a product, but in theory it's really what you guys want. Second, there is a myriad of small stuff like this http://www.text2car.com/

2. I really liked the concept of being able to take the car for a drive, free of any awkward conversation with the owner. It's really pleasant actually, and it gave me the time to think about the purchase and inspect the car. The user psychology is really nailed on that one. That's the way I want to buy every used car from now on."

Long story short, Sy and Val liked our service so much that they decided to just copy it. I'm all for competition and welcome Val and Sy into the used car market. It is sorely in need of a better solution, one which will make buyers and sellers happier and eliminate the inefficiencies and scamming of the dealer model.

I'm not a big fan of plagiarism but different people are different I guess.

If you'd like to stop by our offices, meet our team and see how we're doing, just PM me and we'll hook it up. Chris might even let you drive his 500 hp formula car, which he's been building over the last couple of years! :)

Cheers,

Nicky and the Carlypso team Nicholas@carlypso.com

Re: Show HN: InstaMotor – Taking the pain out of selling your car

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Hi Guys, Nicholas here. I started Carlypso.com last summer when Chris (my co-founder) and I had helped a number of our classmates sell their used cars after graduation. About 9 months ago, I had the pleasure of dealing with Instamotor founder Sy when he bought his Audi A4 with our help. His feedback over email was really encouraging: "About your idea: 1. I was looking a bit at ways to remotely unlock a car over a net…

I don't think you'll win support with such passive-aggressiveness. ;)

Imitation is part of business. If you create something that's valuable and profitable, it's only a matter of time before someone copies you.

Here's a good and relevant read for you: http://blog.asmartbear.com/unfair-advantages.html

> "... The real question is: What are you going to do when another smart, scrappy startup copies it, and gets $10m in funding, and is thrice featured on TechCrunch?"

Sound familiar?

Re: Show HN: InstaMotor – Taking the pain out of selling your car

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Congrats to InstaMotor on the launch; this looks like the kind of experience I would want when selling a car. Best of luck to the team!

While we're on the subject of cars and improving the car buying/selling process, I just wanted to say that Edmunds.com has opened up its car data to the world in a sane, RESTful API. Check it out at http://developer.edmunds.com and let me know if you have any questions: mbock @ edmunds . com.

We also just finished Hackomotive, a $35k hackathon focused on startups improving the car shopping experience. You can see the winners here: http://www.hackomotive.com/. We'd obviusly love to see InstaMotor apply for next year!

Re: Show HN: InstaMotor – Taking the pain out of selling your car

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post #193
post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One point that your write up doesn't take into account is that a car dealer can get more for a car, the same, car, in general, than a private seller can. A car dealer can put a short or longer term warranty on a car that gives a buyer confidence. If you are buying a used Honda from a Honda dealer who is reputable (and my guess is that is 99% of them are or they wouldn't remain franchised), as opposed to the local use…

Hey Larry, 1. Warranty - We've actually talked about a lot of these items, including adding a warranty on top of the cars we represent. We'd be able to do this because we do a mechanical inspection on each car. The 1 thing we can't do is add CPO (that's manufacturer only). 2. Experienced Sales People - sales person turnover is roughly 50% per year at the average dealership. Because of this, dealerships don't spent mo…

What's CPO?

Re: Show HN: InstaMotor – Taking the pain out of selling your car

#200
post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Larry, 1. Warranty - We've actually talked about a lot of these items, including adding a warranty on top of the cars we represent. We'd be able to do this because we do a mechanical inspection on each car. The 1 thing we can't do is add CPO (that's manufacturer only). 2. Experienced Sales People - sales person turnover is roughly 50% per year at the average dealership. Because of this, dealerships don't spent mo…

What's CPO?

Certified Pre-Owned.
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