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The Idiot's Guide to High Frequency Trading

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Re: The Idiot's Guide to High Frequency Trading

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post #17

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There's nothing scammy about inverted venues. Those who choose to trade there do so knowing they will get hit first. Buy siders who don't want their brokers to leak information when sweeping should get better brokers. These are professionals we're talking about here. They should have the wherewithal to understand the market they are participating in.

So then, it is basically a bait trap to exploit those without the wherewithal. That's a quite different proposition than the standard claim that HFT benefits everybody (even the mediocre participants) by lowering spreads and making the market more "efficient." "Scammy" might be a loaded word. In any case, I'd like to hear a sensible purpose to the inverted fee structure.

Inverted fee structures allow the maker to value fill priority over rebate. In a maker taker structure the net price paid is higher on an inverted venue therefore implicitly allowing them a higher spot in the virtual cross-venue line (although not guaranteed).

Takers who get paid at inverted venues understand and are compensated by rebate for the information they provide to the market. Their net price is less than what they would pay elsewhere and the cost of doing so is less access to liquidity (inverted venues typically show a lot less size) and potentially more information leakage (although, it is time dependent).

Bear in mind that if you look at the markets near transition, there is often times no posted orders on the weak side of the NBBO. Makers typically don't like to stand in front of the truck as its rolling towards them. The argument that inverted venues leak as buy side sweeps is fairly weak given this reality.

Re: The Idiot's Guide to High Frequency Trading

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post #33

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That's fundamentally wrong. Direct feeds are available to anyone who wishes to purchase them. Do you have a source for a piece of data purchasable by a firm that isn't on the public side of the information pipe?

> Direct feeds are available to anyone who wishes to purchase them. Out of curiosity, how much does a direct feed cost, and is there a practical limit to the number of simultaneous buyers (for example, physical server space in a data center)?

Price lists are all public. Look at nasdaqtrader.com or batstrading.com.

Re: The Idiot's Guide to High Frequency Trading

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post #70
post #66

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Canceling an order isn't "illegal under the securities law". In fact, neither is backing out of a term sheet.

BD == your agent, has fiduciary duty to you...etc "When executing trade orders on behalf of a customer, the institution is said to be acting as a broker" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broker-dealer

Nobody you are talking about in either scenario is doing that.

Re: The Idiot's Guide to High Frequency Trading

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post #72

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> Direct feeds are available to anyone who wishes to purchase them. Out of curiosity, how much does a direct feed cost, and is there a practical limit to the number of simultaneous buyers (for example, physical server space in a data center)?

Price lists are all public. Look at nasdaqtrader.com or batstrading.com.

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Re: The Idiot's Guide to High Frequency Trading

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post #67
post #54

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Knight had test code that got flipped into production. Worse, they ignored many alarms as the company was sinking.

> Knight had test code that got flipped into production. This is not correct. Read the SEC report on the incident if you have time, it is pretty in depth: http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2013/34-70694.pdf The short-version is that they re-used a parameter from an old feature and one of the production machines was not updated so the re-used parameter re-activated the old feature instead of the new one. Furthermore…

Thanks for that.

But still it was not any kind of market or trading risk that blew them up--just a litany of control failures and bad code.

Re: The Idiot's Guide to High Frequency Trading

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post #69
post #55

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I know of one HFT firm whose hold times, averaged out over a year, came to Zero. This firm accounted for a significant fraction of all stocks traded.

Did Knight take risk?

I am not referring to Knight.

[Edit] I am referring to another firm; it seems if you are in the trading business, you are taking risk. This certainly has multiple meanings. You can measure risk against a position you hold relative to holding nothing. If you are a Market Maker HFT, then you risk the market collapsing out from under you when you are legally obligated to stay in.

Re: The Idiot's Guide to High Frequency Trading

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post #73
post #70

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BD == your agent, has fiduciary duty to you...etc "When executing trade orders on behalf of a customer, the institution is said to be acting as a broker" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broker-dealer

Nobody you are talking about in either scenario is doing that.

Explain 'nobody', 'scenario' and 'that'?

This sidebar conv. seems to be degrading a bit.

General comment: I think you are over simplifying the P&L of a trader. The HFT stuff impacts hedging costs. And the ability to solicit grey/NPI. Note they are not urelated.

Also, if you just look at bid/ask and Volume...you never see the $$ value of this.

Las comment: the so called: "profit guarantees" just means perfectly hedged trades with no ∆ (net exposure). its not literal its a simplification yet directionally correct.

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