Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values
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Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values
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Re: Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values
#2The strangest omission from articles like these is the effect that it had on people inside Mozilla, many of whom spoke out. You can exclude every reaction given by people on Twitter, HN, and personal blogs—and Eich stepping down as CEO still seems like the likely outcome.
Re: Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values
#3Conservatarian disagrees with progressives and concern trolls. News at 11.
Re: Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values
#4You know, the flagging here on HN is starting to get annoying. 30 min ago this was on the front page, now it's at position #91:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7533055
Probably because there are 22 comments for 26 points, which is triggering something (or people are flagging it). Everyone clearly wants to talk about this -- it's getting really annoying that it has to keep jumping threads because of whatever HN's algorithms are doing.
Edit: And, now THIS thread has been censored too, currently with 50 points and suddenly banished from front-page to #94. C'mon guys... the anti-Eich articles were upvoted all over the place, but now articles critical of it shouldn't be seen? I'm sorry, but that's just wrong.
Re: Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values
#5Utter bullocks. Would we entertain this idea that the tolerant must tolerate intolerance if Prop 8 was about race, rather than gender? Of course not. Nobody pretends that we must not speak ill of racists; certainly nobody pretends that speaking ill of racists makes you just as bad as racists.
It is apparent to me that we as a society still have a lot of ground to cover when it comes to the appreciation of the importance of gender and sexuality equality.
Re: Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values
#6Here's one thing I've been unable to understand throughout this whole controversy:
What are we supposed to do about it?
As far as I can tell, this was a completely grassroots thing with no organization, no central control, nothing. It just spontaneously happened.
Now, I don't know how important this whole thing is. To me, it looks like an awful lot of fuss over a very little thing. But let's say that it is, in fact, the worst thing ever to happen in the history of the universe. Even then, what should we do? Writing long articles about how terrible it is doesn't help at all unless we have something we could actually do to change things.
What actual concrete proposal is being made? Is there one? Or are people just wringing their hands?
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#7"Does anyone doubt that had a business fired a CEO six years ago for making a political donation against Prop 8, liberals silent during this controversy (or supportive of the resignation) would've argued that contributions have nothing to do with a CEO's ability to do his job?"
I also suspect many of the outspoken opponents against devout Christian viewpoints (or exercising those viewpoints - various people have insisted they're fine with people having such viewpoints as long as they're never exercised) would not protest against other religions which hold similar viewpoints.
As a supporter of gay marriage, and somebody who believes spirituality isn't real, this still strikes me as picking on someone. And also a shitty way to advocate gay rights.
Re: Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values
#8You know, the flagging here on HN is starting to get annoying. 30 min ago this was on the front page, now it's at position #91: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7533055 Probably because there are 22 comments for 26 points, which is triggering something (or people are flagging it). Everyone clearly wants to talk about this -- it's getting really annoying that it has to keep jumping threads because of whatever HN's…
Censorship at it's finest. I also expect to be downvoted despite raising a good point, lol.
Re: Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values
#9I've watched this from the sidelines, and I read the mozillazine blog site at least daily. There was plenty of support for Eich within Mozilla, and many gay employees blogged their support for him too.
I read mozilla's statement of "we let you down and should have been better" as referring not to promoting Eich, but that they let the internet infection fester and didn't attempt to lance it immediately.
If my read is correct, then the entire basis of Friedersdorf's article is wrong.
Re: Mozilla's Gay-Marriage Litmus Test Violates Liberal Values
#10Here's one thing I've been unable to understand throughout this whole controversy: What are we supposed to do about it? As far as I can tell, this was a completely grassroots thing with no organization, no central control, nothing. It just spontaneously happened . Now, I don't know how important this whole thing is. To me, it looks like an awful lot of fuss over a very little thing. But let's say that it is, in fact,…
The main thing that needs to be done, is the public needs to learn & adjust its behavior. This is a sociopolitical problem, and I think it needs to be fixed by those means. Either through adjusting norms of socially accepted behavior (i.e. don't crucify someone for what they did 10 years ago) or through strong leadership from political figures/groups.