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Sharp Develop – Open Source Alternative to Visual Studio

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Re: Sharp Develop – Open Source Alternative to Visual Studio

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Post by mynameismiek »

misnome wrote: post #46
mynameismiek wrote: post #44

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You don't get a lot of the more advanced/business/enterprise-y features like advanced debugging features, very little code metrics, only the more basic unit testing things, no MSDN subscription benefits, no Azure credits. You can still still use Nuget, write unit tests, debug, all of the basic stuff you need to write programs for .NET. The Unreal Engine 4 source works just fine with VS 2013 Express. Xamarin Business…

I'm pretty sure Resharper doesn't work on the express versions - disappointingly, since it's the only reason I need the higher versions (everything else I want can be done via external tools).

oops you are right.

http://resharper-support.jetbrains.com/entries/23865646-Does...

I'll edit the earlier post and fix that.

Re: Sharp Develop – Open Source Alternative to Visual Studio

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Post by jason_slack »

It's unclear if this supports C++ though. The Downloads page says C# only if I read correctly, however the screenshot for a new project shows C++ and many other project types....

Anyone know? I'd love to make a Cocos2d-x project so others can have an alternative to VS.

Re: Sharp Develop – Open Source Alternative to Visual Studio

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Post by zenbowman »

Paul_S wrote: post #26
fuj wrote: post #25

This is nice, but no... it will never replace VS. I'm sorry if I sound arrogant, but if anyone disagrees than they either never used VS or don't know its potential. I'm no MS fanboy, but VS is simply the best IDE.

No, it isn't. It's the best IDE for C# on a windows OS. Important to have those qualifiers.

As a Linux user, and someone who really dislikes having to boot into Windows in general, even I must admit that there is nothing close to Visual Studio for developing in C++.

Re: Sharp Develop – Open Source Alternative to Visual Studio

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Post by it_learnses »

Varcht wrote: post #34
CmonDev wrote: post #30

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I am with you, but I think that Roslyn has a really good change to change that. Sometimes I wonder how Roslyn will affect JetBrains' business. It should be pretty easy to re-produce quite a lot of core ReSharper features.

I caught a bit of the Build live stream yesterday. Showed some R# like code cleanup in the next version of VS.

what's R#? I can't find anything significant on Google.

Re: Sharp Develop – Open Source Alternative to Visual Studio

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Post by c0achmcguirk »

it_learnses wrote: post #54
Varcht wrote: post #34

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I caught a bit of the Build live stream yesterday. Showed some R# like code cleanup in the next version of VS.

what's R#? I can't find anything significant on Google.

It's resharper. An add-in to Visual Studio that makes refactoring soooo much better.

http://www.jetbrains.com/resharper/

Re: Sharp Develop – Open Source Alternative to Visual Studio

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Post by Paul_S »

zenbowman wrote: post #53
Paul_S wrote: post #26

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No, it isn't. It's the best IDE for C# on a windows OS. Important to have those qualifiers.

As a Linux user, and someone who really dislikes having to boot into Windows in general, even I must admit that there is nothing close to Visual Studio for developing in C++.

I disagree. Unless you have some trivial C++ project (Opinions, opinions, opinions...

Re: Sharp Develop – Open Source Alternative to Visual Studio

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Post by j_s »

gavinpc wrote: post #48

I'm with Yegge on this one. [0] That said, I have turned to SharpDevelop at times for the debugger, because after .NET 2 the standalone CLR debugger was no longer supported. It has some quirks, but it works. [0] https://sites.google.com/site/steveyegge2/effective-emacs

There are a handful of WinDbg plugins:

http://www.infoq.com/news/2013/11/netext

Re: Sharp Develop – Open Source Alternative to Visual Studio

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Post by bad_user »

72deluxe wrote: post #45
rootlocus wrote: post #36

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If you're a student / novice working on small projects, aiming to learn and improve yourself maybe. If you work in a production environment "learning" isn't a strong enough reason.

I would second this because with many many files and namespaces and stacks of dependencies and libraries, an IDE isn't a luxury - it is a necessity.

I worked for years without an "IDE", within Emacs, spanning multiple languages, including Java and Scala. I was defining snippets for boilerplate, I was using ctags for navigation and the agility with which you can jump around and edit text makes up for the lack of intellisense, etc...

Got used to IntelliJ IDEA for about a year ago. It's nice, but my actual work productivity hasn't increased. Seriously, I now use an IDE because I feel more comfortable within IDEA, as when you're using a text editor, you don't just use a text editor, but rather the entire Unix toolchain and I got tired of stressing out my memory. And btw, I still open Emacs a lot because I'm missing Emacs' macros and undo capabilities amongst others.

If you want an IDE, sure, use an IDE. Learning a new language with an unfamiliar IDE on the other hand is a really bad idea, since instead of learning the actual language, you end up dealing with the toolset.

Re: Sharp Develop – Open Source Alternative to Visual Studio

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Post by brokenparser »

rootlocus wrote: post #36
brokenparser wrote: post #22

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Don't need no stinkin IDE, just a text editor and a compiler. You'll learn more than when using an IDE.

If you're a student / novice working on small projects, aiming to learn and improve yourself maybe. If you work in a production environment "learning" isn't a strong enough reason.

You always need to learn the tools you're using. If you rely on autocomplete to learn those tools, you're going to write the kind of shitty software I loathe.
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