So Mozilla supports diversity and freedom on many vectors -- as long as they are the correct positions. Certainly not a very courageous stance.
Brendan chose to leave, because it was hurting Mozilla. This is not a "corporate decision".
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#242This is an example of what a hate-driven vocal minority can do. It's scary.
Tell that to Matthew Shepard.
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#243This really saddens me. It is a black-mark on the gay rights movement. Eich made a mistake when he supported prop 8. History will clearly show this, like history has shown those who opposed interracial marriage were wrong. Being on the right-side of history isn't about stomping out those who opposed you when you finally win. It's not about retribution for past slights. Did we learn nothing from Nelson Mandela?
Eich made a mistake when he supported prop 8.
He actively avoided apologising for his support of prop 8 – a law which is directly opposed to the values of Mozilla as an organisation. Had he done so, I suspect there would have been much less backlash.
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#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
This was the opposite of a win for freedom of speech.
"Freedom of Speech" does not mean "Freedom from the Consequences of your Speech."
No, freedom of speech means exactly that people shouldn't be punished for speech. What else could it possibly mean?
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#245Gay-Rights McCarthyism Takes Brendan Eich's Scalp http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/brendan-eich-g...
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#246All of this over a $1,000 donation, apparently. I think it's a bad cause and a bad donation, and I don't have any sympathy at all for the anti-gay-marriage types, but it's crazy to me to hang someone over a thousand dollar donation. What percentage of the total money donated to prop 8 do you think that represented?
Despite the general attitude, nothing has been won. Whomever they replace him with may have more hateful views towards gay marriage, they just won't be on the public record as having taken a side. America is filled with business leaders that privately participate in religions where gay marriage would be frowned upon - what do you think their personal opinions are?
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#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
It speaks a lot to his integrity that he didn't. Would you rather have a CEO who says one thing in public and then goes and does another thing surreptitiously, or one who stands up for his beliefs even when they're unpopular?
I don't think 'integrity' in the face of an opinion that is becoming more and more unacceptable to hold in our culture is a good thing. Changing your views, and admitting you were wrong is the best thing you can do.
So it's best to just side with the majority/public opinion?
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#248All of this over a $1,000 donation, apparently. I think it's a bad cause and a bad donation, and I don't have any sympathy at all for the anti-gay-marriage types, but it's crazy to me to hang someone over a thousand dollar donation. What percentage of the total money donated to prop 8 do you think that represented?
Eich didn't make that donation yesterday, you know. But I agree. He made a small donation to a political cause. Are we going to start ritually sacrificing people who don't line up with our personal causes and opinions? I think this sets a draconian precedent. If this is where the culture in the Valley is headed, I'm incredibly glad I'm not a part of it.
Are we going to start ritually sacrificing people who don't line up with our personal causes and opinions?
No - we are hopefully going to continue objecting to the appointment of people whose personal views are incompatible with the values of the organisation they are supposed to represent. That's totally legitimate, and I absolutely fail to see what is wrong with doing so.
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#249So what's the next step at Mozilla? Going through all department heads and eliminating those that are conservative cristians as well? Also those that don't agree with Obamacare? Considering I've lived in a socialistic country where political party you belonged to was critical to attaining any leadership position... I'd really rather not return to that world. It was toxic, inefficient and downright unfair. Politics, r…
> Going through all department heads and eliminating those that are conservative cristians as well?
It has nothing to do with being a conservative christian.
> Considering I've lived in a socialistic country where political party you belonged to was critical to attaining any leadership position
i'm sure this country wasnt gay friendly either...was it?
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#250> We didn’t act like you’d expect Mozilla to act. We didn’t move fast enough to engage with people once the controversy started.
Oh, Mozilla, you acted exactly like we expected. You spouted some condescending PR BS instead of apologizing for making an unrepentant homophobe your CEO.