Sad and wrong. But I guess Mozilla didn't want to deal with all that flaming directed at them.
Brendan Eich Steps Down as Mozilla CEO
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#162I do not think anyone won here as Mozilla had an opportunity to call both BE and the other parties into some type of meeting with real dialogue..but instead will still have thins not solved..
Here are the still smoldering issues:
1. Religious right still wants to hold the marriage license as their property..Separation of Church and State occurred over 500 years ago in Western Cultures an governments.. 2. Bigotry and Ignorance
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#163I am a strong supporter of gay marriage, but I have to say that I find this very unfortunate and worrying. Apparently many Mozilla supporters seem to think it is okay to bully a qualified person out of his job only for his political views, even if they had absolutely no effect on his qualification or his actions on the job. I can't help but feel like this campaign has done a lot more harm to him than his $1000 donati…
Mozilla is perhaps a special case. In other organizations, I might understand that argument. To me, it feels like a case of cognitive dissonance when the organization promotes free speech, free expression, etc., while its CEO donates to organizations which restrict it. (Whether or not one agrees with that is besides the point. Mozilla's board does, which is what matters with this decision.)
>Whether or not one agrees with that is besides the point. Mozilla's board does, which is what matters with this decision.
Mozilla's board put him there to begin with. This is not a moral issue for them.
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#164I am a strong supporter of gay marriage, but I have to say that I find this very unfortunate and worrying. Apparently many Mozilla supporters seem to think it is okay to bully a qualified person out of his job only for his political views, even if they had absolutely no effect on his qualification or his actions on the job. I can't help but feel like this campaign has done a lot more harm to him than his $1000 donati…
I generally agree with you but I think the problem here is that being against gay marriage is more than just a "political view." Being for low taxes is a political view. Being for smaller government is a political view. Believing a certain group of people don't deserve to live their lives like other simply because of who they love is not a political view. It reads as extremely hateful and that makes people uncomforta…
I have heard people mention this distinction before, but it seems a bit arbitrary to me.
You and I may agree that this is a universal right that is "not up for discussion", but we can't deny the fact that there is a sizable portion of people that would disagree with us. Many of them believe as strongly that we are wrong as we believe that they are wrong.
In my eyes, this shows that there are certainly different viewpoints on the matter and makes it as political as anything else.
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#165So Mozilla supports diversity and freedom on many vectors -- as long as they are the correct positions. Certainly not a very courageous stance.
He actively participated, via monetary contribution, in a movement whose purpose was to prevent a group of people from having the freedom to marry and share in the benefits that society and the government afford the married. This goes against what Mozilla stands for by virtue of the fact that they provide spousal benefits to all couples regardless of sexual orientation.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
on the other hand we just showed that when a mob on the Internet wants something - they get it. I don't think that this follows. In this particular case, someone was promoted to a role which many felt was incompatible with his personal views; they made that known, and the person in question stepped down. That's kind of how things should work in a community enterprise. That said, I understand he's received wildly disp…
Were there actually threats? I just googled "Brendan Eich threat" and didn't see anything relevant.
Of course a threat that actually contains the word threat is probably more comedic than threatening.
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#167I am a strong supporter of gay marriage, but I have to say that I find this very unfortunate and worrying. Apparently many Mozilla supporters seem to think it is okay to bully a qualified person out of his job only for his political views, even if they had absolutely no effect on his qualification or his actions on the job. I can't help but feel like this campaign has done a lot more harm to him than his $1000 donati…
So... Bullying: tweeting/emailing/blogging an opinion on Mozilla's decisions Not bullying: taking significant monetary action to push for discrimination against 5-10% of the country
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#168From the recode recap - http://recode.net/2014/04/03/mozilla-co-founder-brendan-eich... >“It’s clear that Brendan cannot lead Mozilla in this setting,” said Baker, who added that she would not and could not speak for Eich. “The ability to lead — particularly for the CEO — is fundamental to the role and that is not possible here.” The most damning aspect of this was their a) inability to predict this would be an issue…
> All he had to do was lie I may be diametrically opposed to Brendan's views, but he has earned my respect by being honest and sticking to his values.
I'm confused. It's believed that removing forced integration will cause racist businesses to spring up, but right here we have a CEO being shamed out of his job because he holds some personal belief that had nothing to do with being effective at his job.
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#169From the recode recap - http://recode.net/2014/04/03/mozilla-co-founder-brendan-eich... >“It’s clear that Brendan cannot lead Mozilla in this setting,” said Baker, who added that she would not and could not speak for Eich. “The ability to lead — particularly for the CEO — is fundamental to the role and that is not possible here.” The most damning aspect of this was their a) inability to predict this would be an issue…
I would have considered him a worse person if he'd done that. I disagree with his opinions on marriage, but he has the right to have those opinions, and to provide support for causes he believes in. I'm not shocked the he is stepping down, or that others in the organization appear to have applied substantial pressure on him to do so, but it makes me sad. Their statements about supporting freedom of speech are hollow:…
Freedom of speech is to be exercised only for populist opinions.
If we continue to travel down this path, we'd all have the same opinions, as anyone who dares to hold an different opinion than the majority would be ostracized from the society.
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#170This is a dangerous precedent. On one hand this is the only thing Brendan can do its clear that the community at large will not accept dissenting opinions, but its really a small step between holding this line for a CEO and holding it for any employee.