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Re: Any female engineers in San Diego interested in showing my daughter their work?

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Post by belorn »

king_jester wrote: post #132
JohnHaugeland wrote: post #108

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"Do you think that it would somehow be more equal for women to only have male role models?" You seem to be going to great effort to misunderstand me. By saying "I think young people should have access to everyone, not just people demographically like them," you seem to have heard "I think young women should only have access to people unlike them." A call for inclusion has been misrepresented as a call for exclusion.…

> By saying "I think young people should have access to everyone, not just people demographically like them," you seem to have heard "I think young women should only have access to people unlike them." > A call for inclusion has been misrepresented as a call for exclusion. In terms of gender, cisgender men by far the norm, they have no problem being represented. Women in general are not as well represented, someone l…

> men by far the norm, they have no problem being represented.

For all the HN articles about parent seeking role models for their children, are we really saying that "parent looking for male role model" is highly represented on the HN?

Or is it that no parent will ever need to look for a male role model outside their own social circle?

Re: Any female engineers in San Diego interested in showing my daughter their work?

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Post by dennisgorelik »

josephwegner wrote: post #31
larrys wrote: post #26

"she has 16 hours of gymnastics practice every week, which markedly improves the report from school and now she's in love with it so I can't talk her out of it. I've tried. So spring break would be ideal." This is going to sound harsh. So, essentially even though you have an available resource (FIRST) since your daughter would rather take gymnastics you are then going to push off this responsibility to a complete str…

Teaching your kids to stop playing sports in favor of pursuing their career is a terrible lesson. There is a lot more to life than your job - our culture fights that notion, but it's true.

What's so terrible in the lesson of focusing on activities that benefit other people?

Re: Any female engineers in San Diego interested in showing my daughter their work?

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Post by niels_olson »

KimberlyGrommes wrote: post #38

Can you give a little more information about what you're really hoping your daughter will see and get out of the experience? What type of engineer are you looking for? I'm a software engineer in SD with a 12 year old daughter of my own.

Hi Kimberly,

I went through all the contacts made through this thread and my daughter seems most interested in contacting you and your daughter. If you're interested in a free lunch, my email's in my profile.

Re: Any female engineers in San Diego interested in showing my daughter their work?

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Post by [deleted] »

danielweber wrote: post #114
dang wrote: post #64

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This comment is also out of line. Two wrongs do not make a right, and personal attacks are absolutely unwelcome on Hacker News. It doesn't matter how provocative the other person was being. When you see something provocative on HN, please reflect before responding. Fighting poison with poison makes things worse. Please either add comments that make things better, or no comments. When responding to a toxic comment, re…

"Please either add comments that make things better, or no comments." I wrote this on a sticky note and put it on my monitor. It will be my mantra for the next few days.

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Re: Any female engineers in San Diego interested in showing my daughter their work?

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Post by dang »

larrys wrote: post #154
dang wrote: post #52

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Thanks to the fair-minded users of Hacker News for downvoting this bullshit. When I encounter a comment like this, it's a relief to discover that the community immune system already rejected it. When you see a comment that is truly toxic for HN, flag it by clicking "link" to go to the item page and then "flag" at the top. Edit: Since I know some people have concerns about unpopular opinions being suppressed, perhaps…

I think it might be a good idea when you make your mod comments to include the fact that you are the mod. I wouldn't assume that people know that. In fact if I hadn't read that particular post on that day I wouldn't know that. I wouldn't also assume that any particular user will even click on your profile (which is another way of saying "don't just put it there").

I see your point, and have wondered about it myself. This seems like a case where laziness will show the way. If it's important, it will eventually be obvious that it needs implementing. There are a lot of other features to build.

I thought for a while about only making mod comments from this account, but that doesn't seem right. I was a community member and HN user long, long before I was a moderator.

We'll figure it all out as we go :)

Re: Any female engineers in San Diego interested in showing my daughter their work?

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Post by voicereasonish »

crassus wrote: post #133
voicereasonish wrote: post #30

> she's in love with it > I can't talk her out of it. I've tried. Why would you try and talk her out of something she's in love with? If she "knows some python", is she in love with it? Is she actively learning more on the web?

Because progress means making girls do boy things

Even if they'd much rather be doing girl things...

Re: Any female engineers in San Diego interested in showing my daughter their work?

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Post by king_jester »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #140
king_jester wrote: post #130

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The reason why you are being downvoted is that the notion of "I think people of every gender, race, etc are of value and should be available." doesn't really address the issue of why someone who is in a minority in STEM would seek out someone like themselves as a role model. People have value, but we can't deny that for some people finding someone like themselves in a particular field is very difficult. Those people…

"The reason why you are being downvoted is that the notion of "I think people of every gender, race, etc are of value and should be available." doesn't really address the issue of why someone who is in a minority in STEM would seek out someone like themselves as a role model." This reads to me like "You are being downvoted because your opinion doesn't address the original question you asked." I have been polite, frie…

> "You are being downvoted because your opinion doesn't address the original question you asked."

Except your original post said:

"I don't understand why we all talk about the gender problem in engineering, then continue it by isolating female students from male teachers."

The gender problem in STEM isn't that women have a hard time finding men as peers and role models, its that women have a hard time finding women as peers and role models. You started out by misidentifying the problem in the first place, this is why your subsequent posts are downvoted because you are creating a straw man out of the OP's request to find a woman in STEM for their daughter to meet.

Re: Any female engineers in San Diego interested in showing my daughter their work?

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Post by king_jester »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #157
thelibrarian wrote: post #153

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No it is not. It is a woman for a rolemodel, not a woman for my one and only and forever rolemodel. Having a woman for a rolemodel does not exclude also having a man as a rolemodel.

A limitation is still a limitation even if it isn't universal.

If you really believed this, then you would agree that this is true for women in STEM in that the field is heavily stacked with men. It is totally justified to counteract such an implicit limitation in the field by someone putting in extra effort to meet women in STEM.

Re: Any female engineers in San Diego interested in showing my daughter their work?

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Post by king_jester »

belorn wrote: post #161
king_jester wrote: post #132

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> By saying "I think young people should have access to everyone, not just people demographically like them," you seem to have heard "I think young women should only have access to people unlike them." > A call for inclusion has been misrepresented as a call for exclusion. In terms of gender, cisgender men by far the norm, they have no problem being represented. Women in general are not as well represented, someone l…

> men by far the norm, they have no problem being represented. For all the HN articles about parent seeking role models for their children, are we really saying that "parent looking for male role model" is highly represented on the HN? Or is it that no parent will ever need to look for a male role model outside their own social circle?

It is more that for "parent looking for role model" in STEM fields they will by default encounter mostly men, so if for one reason or another you'd like to meet a women you'll probably have to specifically look for someone, esp. when you are looking for people in fields that are outside of your own.

Re: Any female engineers in San Diego interested in showing my daughter their work?

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Post by arbutus »

lutorm wrote: post #125
JohnHaugeland wrote: post #116

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If the issue is how common the people are going to be by demographic in the workforce, then shouldn't we start early in making them comfortable with the people they're going to be around, as the ice breaking generation, by mentoring them with the common rather than the rare? I mean I genuinely do not understand why this is actually helpful. The lady engineers I talk to are either all pandering to me, or are as confus…

I do understand that your opinion is that a girl will have an emotional need to only learn from women. That is not what is being said, it is that it may be useful for a girl to not only learn from men.

Thanks, that is exactly what I'm saying.
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