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My First Year of Coding

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Re: My First Year of Coding

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Post by altero »

thumbtackthief wrote: post #89
altero wrote: post #87

Nothing against Jennifer, her stuff is impressive. But I find this ridiculous. This is called learning and is done by thousandth/millions others. Everyone has to overcome their fear of being judged and stuff. Giving kudos just because of gender just undermines girls to take on harder challenges in future. I started coding professionally when I was 17 not to starve, while overcoming depression and mental illness. My c…

Who in the world cares that she is a woman? I have a wiener, and I certainly have not done anything so ambitious. You're the one making this about gender--everyone else just sees someone who set a challenging goal and accomplished it.

- About half of the comments are about girls/gender/sexism and so on.

- Any sort of criticism is down-voted to hell, this never happens when author is a boy

- and finally show me similar toy project from boy, which would make into front page of Hacker News.

Re: My First Year of Coding

#92

Post by steveklabnik »

m_mueller wrote: post #88
steveklabnik wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telling people they're hellbanned destroys the purpose of hellbanning.

Basically it's a system of checks and balances. Hellbanning makes trolling less efficient while showdead makes it possible to correct mistakes. In the case here noone could point out to me why he was banned, so I have to assume a mistake. According to your logic, HN could as well just disable showdead.

If I had to guess, it would be due to a new account submitting a YouTube link: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=curbenthusiasm

(and yes, I agree, it'd work even better without showdead.)

Re: My First Year of Coding

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Post by altero »

omegant wrote: post #90
altero wrote: post #87

Nothing against Jennifer, her stuff is impressive. But I find this ridiculous. This is called learning and is done by thousandth/millions others. Everyone has to overcome their fear of being judged and stuff. Giving kudos just because of gender just undermines girls to take on harder challenges in future. I started coding professionally when I was 17 not to starve, while overcoming depression and mental illness. My c…

For me is not interesting because is a woman, it´s interesting because she made public the process and what she did. That´s very useful to me because I want to learn, and also I want to be able to point somebody that asks me to an amazing example. Please tell your learning process if you think you may help someone due to your special situation.

I think here website is impressive as bunch of simple puzzles. I teach programming as a hobby and I may actually use some of that stuff.

I have problem with comments here. Nobody offers any sort of constructive criticism. We should review source code and give her some advice. Perhaps recommend a new framework to use, or even completely new direction (NodeJS).

Re: My First Year of Coding

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Post by thumbtackthief »

altero wrote: post #91
thumbtackthief wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who in the world cares that she is a woman? I have a wiener, and I certainly have not done anything so ambitious. You're the one making this about gender--everyone else just sees someone who set a challenging goal and accomplished it.

- About half of the comments are about girls/gender/sexism and so on. - Any sort of criticism is down-voted to hell, this never happens when author is a boy - and finally show me similar toy project from boy, which would make into front page of Hacker News.

-I've seen very few comments about sexism, except those like yours that are making it an issue. I don't see that many saying "Wow, that's great that a girl can code!". Thankfully.

-How many newbie type projects do we get? Are we downvoting criticisms because of gender or experience?

-Show me a similar project from a boy that didn't.

Re: My First Year of Coding

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

dang wrote: post #70
samstave wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gwit. Twue gwit ithz wut gathwers us here twoday.

Sam, come on. No crap comments on HN, please. (I edited this to make it less harsh.)

It's not an especially crap comment, it's just a joke you didn't get. Jokes don't do well here admittedly.

Re: My First Year of Coding

#96

Post by pbhjpbhj »

steveklabnik wrote: post #92
m_mueller wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically it's a system of checks and balances. Hellbanning makes trolling less efficient while showdead makes it possible to correct mistakes. In the case here noone could point out to me why he was banned, so I have to assume a mistake. According to your logic, HN could as well just disable showdead.

If I had to guess, it would be due to a new account submitting a YouTube link: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=curbenthusiasm (and yes, I agree, it'd work even better without showdead.)

>"it'd work even better without showdead" //

What's actually wrong with this persons activity here though - they're [presumably] new and haven't had chance to learn all about HN yet. Their questions/comments don't seem so terrible that they should be hellbanned, or do you disagree.

Presumably what you're saying here is that no-one should have the chance to warn those who're hellbanned, we should trust the secret machination of HN to always be right?

Re: My First Year of Coding

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Post by thumbtackthief »

altero wrote: post #87

Nothing against Jennifer, her stuff is impressive. But I find this ridiculous. This is called learning and is done by thousandth/millions others. Everyone has to overcome their fear of being judged and stuff. Giving kudos just because of gender just undermines girls to take on harder challenges in future. I started coding professionally when I was 17 not to starve, while overcoming depression and mental illness. My c…

Ugh, now I'm all angry. Can you point to _one_ comment where someone gave her kudos based on her gender as opposed to her work? I just went through the entire page to see if you had any leg to stand on.

Re: My First Year of Coding

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Post by steveklabnik »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #96
steveklabnik wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had to guess, it would be due to a new account submitting a YouTube link: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=curbenthusiasm (and yes, I agree, it'd work even better without showdead.)

>"it'd work even better without showdead" // What's actually wrong with this persons activity here though - they're [presumably] new and haven't had chance to learn all about HN yet. Their questions/comments don't seem so terrible that they should be hellbanned, or do you disagree. Presumably what you're saying here is that no-one should have the chance to warn those who're hellbanned, we should trust the secret mach…

I actually very often disagree with the secret machinations of HN.

It's not that I agree or disagree with this particular banning, but that in the aggregate, "you are a new account and you post a link to youtube" is a pretty good general characteristic. While it's unfortunate that there's sometimes a false positive, most things that I see explicitly dead deserve to be.

Besides, it's pretty easy to figure out if you've been hellbanned, and then if you're real, you can ask dang (I guess, now, eh?) to reverse it. No warnings needed.

Re: My First Year of Coding

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Post by kbajorin »

readymade wrote: post #37

It's worth revisiting the original HN post from last year: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6097155 IMHO she deserves kudos not just for accomplishing her goal (which really is impressive enough on its own) but doing so in the face of a community with such deeply ingrained sexism that some people thought it "suspicious" at the outset. Obviously she's a strong enough person that this kind of stuff didn't derail he…

It seems to me encouragement is the dominant response, both here and in the original post.

My criticism would be that in her post she highlights only the negative comments she got. When, on the whole, the community votes her posts up and the top comments are always positive.

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