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European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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I think the EU is getting an amazing amount of work done, if you consider that it consists of 28 nation states which went to war with each other regularly for centuries up to a couple of decades ago...

You're thinking of the Cold War, the end of Colonialism and Nuclear Bombs and confusing it with something the EU did.

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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post #5

These are great news, I am a big supporter for net neutrality, however I am a bit concerned about one small detail: >“Net neutrality” means the principle according to which all internet traffic is treated equally, without discrimination, restriction or interference, independently of its sender, recipient, type, content, device, service or application. I wonder how this will work in case of malicious attacks, ddos, di…

Reasonable traffic management measures shall be transparent, non-discriminatory, proportionate and necessary to:

a) implement a court order;

b) preserve the integrity and security of the network, services provided via this network, and the end-users' terminals;

- http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//...

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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> mobile carrier industry body the GSMA said it “recognises the efforts of Rapporteur Pilar del Castillo to develop a constructive response to the Commission’s Connected Continent proposals but believes that the overall package fails to address the key challenge of stimulating growth and investment.”

I'll take that as a ringing endorsement and a strong sign that the net neutrality law is good for consumers. Good job on writing these amendments and getting them to pass, left-wing MEPs!

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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It was a close call... Neelie Kroes didn't want this. But against expectations, democracy won.. That doesn't happen much in the world (Eg. What Karel De Gucht tried / did ). All with all, i'm very glad this happened! It gave me some faith again in Europe as a regulator (i'm from Belgium ). (still dissappointed in Neelie Kroes though, she has some very good ideas... Opposing net neutrality was definetly a bad idea)

PS. Some examples of good ideas:

- Transforming libraries in hackerspaces (this is one of the best ideas i ever came accross)

- Removing roaming (expensive cell phone calls in foreign countries, but in Europe, we are all different countries. 9000 € for checking your mail and etc... was not an exception). Some people who regulary stay in foreign countries (work, business, long vacation, .. get a mobile subscription in that country, so they would have 2 phone numbers). But this should be fixed in 2016 (still a long time though)

- PRO net neutrality (some years ago, currently she changed her opinion for an unknown reason : http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/en/blog/netne... )

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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I'm so happy how Andersdotter/@teirdes has arrived in Brussels. She is already "e-communications" spokesperson for the Greens/EFA group in the EP: http://www.greens-efa.eu/electronic-communications-12163.htm... and I believe that they have a very powerful collaboration on privacy and other pirate issues

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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I think the EU is getting an amazing amount of work done, if you consider that it consists of 28 nation states which went to war with each other regularly for centuries up to a couple of decades ago...

You're thinking of the Cold War, the end of Colonialism and Nuclear Bombs and confusing it with something the EU did.

The EU was born out of the EC, which was born out of the EEC, which was born out of ECSC (European Coal and Steel Community).

The entire concept of the EU is that a straightforward homogenous marketplace engenders trade which in turn engenders peace, as attacking your trading partners is rarely a beneficial move.

Nuclear weapons and MAD were extant before the EEC and throughout its existence, and have not played a role in the stability of Europe beyond having a common foe on the doorstep to the east.

Colonialism/imperialism most certainly has not ended. Many European nations have territories dotted around the globe, many of which are still highly contentious, and the US continues to act on moral principals which fall squarely out of the big book of empire-building.

The EU/EC/EEC has achieved plenty - but we humans are not accustomed to understanding accomplishments or progress which occurs on a timescale beyond our own limited lives.

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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I think the EU is getting an amazing amount of work done, if you consider that it consists of 28 nation states which went to war with each other regularly for centuries up to a couple of decades ago...

You're thinking of the Cold War, the end of Colonialism and Nuclear Bombs and confusing it with something the EU did.

Well, he's technically right. The last European wars countries currently in the EU were involved in are the post-Yugoslavia wars (is there a name for them?). Prior to this, we have course the two world wars as the most well-known example of a cycle of destruction and butchery Europeans have displayed a particular taste for, often with exceptionally brutal results (eg, the Thirty Years' War).

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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post #25

I'm so happy how Andersdotter/@teirdes has arrived in Brussels. She is already "e-communications" spokesperson for the Greens/EFA group in the EP: http://www.greens-efa.eu/electronic-communications-12163.htm... and I believe that they have a very powerful collaboration on privacy and other pirate issues

I actually met her last year at a conference. Very intelligent and well-spoken.

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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> Providers of internet access to end-users shall not discriminate between functionally equivalent services and applications. This means they can still throttle torrents, right?

If its:

a) Reasonable,

b) transparent,

c) non-discriminatory of that traffic type,

d) there is temporary and exceptional network congestion,

e) measure is not be maintained longer than necessary.

If all those are true they may throttle torrents. A key word here is transparent, since few ISP even admit that they throttle traffic.

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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I think the EU is getting an amazing amount of work done, if you consider that it consists of 28 nation states which went to war with each other regularly for centuries up to a couple of decades ago...

And some of them are still culturally at war ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark%E2%80%93Sweden_relation...

I don't know. Danish news always go "X is bad in Denmark. Meanwhile, X is really good in Sweden."
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