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What it is like being the only engineer in a meeting [video]

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Re: What it is like being the only engineer in a meeting [video]

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At one marketing-overrun startup, the suits were calling two hour meetings every afternoon and then wondering why I wasn't getting any work done. So I installed a cuckoo clock in that meeting room. The CEO loved it; he even helped wind it. I knew I'd succeeded when one of the marketing types looked at the clock and said, "I hate that thing." I don't remember if the meetings got any shorter or less frequent, but they…

The problem with the meeting (hourly rate | billable rate) × members × time cost approach is this: a well-performed meeting is what provides your worth. In this sense, considering a meeting to be a cost based on what you can charge for your time is as ridiculous as a professional sports team considering workouts and training to be costed at the average revenue rate of a game. The training is what provides the ability…

> The training is what provides the ability to charge for admission and airtime royalties for games. The meeting is what gives you a product or service offering.

The cost analysis of the meeting is however helpful to make people realize that there's way too many people in that meeting. It's just like a sports team where half of the players are not actively training while you're paying them all. And on top of that, the effectiveness of a meeting decreases very quickly with the number of participants.

Re: What it is like being the only engineer in a meeting [video]

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Moving beyond the exaggeration of the sketch, the irony here is that being the only engineer in a business meeting puts you in an incredibly powerful position - if you see the opportunity and know how to take advantage of it. Learning to interact with non-technical stakeholders and finding ways to deliver solutions perceived as adding value to a business is one of the best ways to make real money in this industry. Fo…

That's a very inspiring way to put it. For balance, I'll put out here that being the only janitor in a building also puts you in a position of power, and learning to interact with the stakeholders should be invaluable.

If you truely believe everything is an opportunity, being an engineer or janitor should be on a similar footing (there's actually janitors that build companies and set their prices)

Re: What it is like being the only engineer in a meeting [video]

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Some of the comments here claim this is just showing how engineers think they are the only smart ones, or how there's equal frustration pointed back at engineers. However, this is illustrating a particular problem that only[2] affects engineers -- engineers are the ones at the end of the day who have to make a solution reality. This particular weight doesn't fall on any other role. It's easy for anyone, including eng…

In a very meta twist, your comment reads with a slight undertone of "engineers are the only smart ones."

Engineers might end up with the keys to the servers, but many problems (and solutions to them) are not very technical. Things like the copy on landing pages, or customer support workflow, and many other problems businesses can face are only technical in that at one point an engineer will do something.

But it's not just engineers that have this problem. Designers can get them, marketers can get them , etc. Any opportunity for there to be cognitive dissonance will be exploited by Murphy's Law to make people's lives like this

Re: What it is like being the only engineer in a meeting [video]

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post #10

At one marketing-overrun startup, the suits were calling two hour meetings every afternoon and then wondering why I wasn't getting any work done. So I installed a cuckoo clock in that meeting room. The CEO loved it; he even helped wind it. I knew I'd succeeded when one of the marketing types looked at the clock and said, "I hate that thing." I don't remember if the meetings got any shorter or less frequent, but they…

As an aside, how could you get zeroed out of a billion dolloar company where you worked at, and also funded?

Re: What it is like being the only engineer in a meeting [video]

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Stupid engineer...just draw the thing in an 11-dimensional space, and he would have gotten transparency and perpendicularity. No wonder he got talked down by management.

Perhaps I'm not thinking clearly - it's late here - but wouldn't 8-space suffice?

Re: What it is like being the only engineer in a meeting [video]

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Awesome.. I have a similar situation regarding the project manager in the video :) we have a small team of 5 members and i don't think we need a "project manager" considering only 5 members working on a not-so-big project and the team members are efficient enough to self manage.

I dont think a small project with a small team even needs a project manager.

Re: What it is like being the only engineer in a meeting [video]

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Some of the comments here claim this is just showing how engineers think they are the only smart ones, or how there's equal frustration pointed back at engineers. However, this is illustrating a particular problem that only[2] affects engineers -- engineers are the ones at the end of the day who have to make a solution reality. This particular weight doesn't fall on any other role. It's easy for anyone, including eng…

I thought this was a very funny video, not because of the reasons you are articulating but because it underscores a very real problem, namely that people come in with unrealistic expectations and can't understand why they are unrealistic.

This being said, I don't think this is a problem specifically related to engineers. I think it affects nearly every specialist who is tasked with a vital role outside of the general knowledge. Accountants, particularly cost accountants, would be my second thought for a profession that must be in a similar position.

Doctors and lawyers also come to mind.

In the end, I think it is funny because the problems are framed in a way we specifically can relate to, not because the problems uniquely affect engineers.

Re: What it is like being the only engineer in a meeting [video]

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post #30

Stupid engineer...just draw the thing in an 11-dimensional space, and he would have gotten transparency and perpendicularity. No wonder he got talked down by management.

Perhaps I'm not thinking clearly - it's late here - but wouldn't 8-space suffice?

A 7-dimensional space would suffice to fit 7 orthogonal directions---though we should probably add an extra dimension for the alpha channel ;)

BTW, I'm also guessing @lam's comment was referring to the 11 dimensions in string theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory#Extra_dimensions

Re: What it is like being the only engineer in a meeting [video]

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This shouldn't be too hard. Just draw lines in 7 dimensions and accellerate them away from the viewer such that the color shifts so it is red. in fact, you only need to do three, because the other four can be discussed as being drawn in transparent ink and aligned in higher dimensions.
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