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Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Are people suggesting that holding a personal opinion that is contrary to another person's opinion disqualifies that person from having a job? I haven't seen any suggestions that he has attempted to discriminate, or implement discriminatory policies, against any individuals at Mozilla or otherwise. I voted for Amendment 64 in Colorado to legalize canabis. Should that disqualify me from working because maybe means I g…

For the record, you can still use OKC with Firefox; you just get a lecture when you do it.

Is it okay to discriminate against Nazis, or is that hypocritical?

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Linus Torvalds describes himself as an atheist. I advocate as hard today for Linux as I did 20 years ago. I do not let Linus's personal beliefs impact the decision on what software I run. It should not impact yours.

What legal rights has Linus Torvalds tried to take away from minorities?

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Well, no, it doesn't. In many countries/states, civil unions are the norm for gay people, and have been for some time. However, the current debate from gay people seems to be that they want to re-use the "marriage" label, which has traditionally been for between a man and a woman. I'm not saying it's right simply because it's tradition - but trying to argue that it has been anything but between a man and a woman for…

> but trying to argue that it has been anything but between a man and a woman for thousands of years is just historical revisionism. It's a good point, unfortunately the problem with that is how far back we should we go? For example: Same sex marriage ( not just civil union ) did occur for example in the Roman Empire, until the Christian Emperors Constantius II and Constans passed a law prohibiting same sex marriage…

No, it actually didn't actually exist in Rome - for example, see the Wikipedia article on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage#Ancient

The examples were apparently satirical, and had no legal standing under Roman law.

The exceptions were a few Roman emperors who had...interesting....whims.

But hey, it's the emperor, who are you to tell him what's legal or illegal.

Fast forward a few thousand years, and the one other exception is history is one Spanish priest in 1061.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Really, denied them their human rights? I think you might be overblowing the horn just slightly there. Sigh. Nobody is being oppressed. In most progressive countries, civil unions are available, which confer exactly the same benefits and rights as a traditional marriage. In fact, in many countries, you don't even need to do that - simply having a de-facto relationship will be enough. So basically, it's about a word -…

Not overblowing at all. Marriage is a human right. Since you're in such an affected high dudgeon over apartheid [1], here's a question for you: was the ban on interracial marriage something anti-apartheid activists blew off as just a jolly good time that's not at all oppressive, or did they consider it part and parcel of an oppressive system? [1] An aside: Do you know anything at all about apartheid? Did you actually…

Well, your point is actually a logical inequality - apartheid was against the idea of interracial relationships, married or not.

It's not exactly like these interracial couples were offered a "union" which conferred the same rights, but don't call it a marriage.

But even if they were, it's still not close to the current battle over gay "marriage".

For most of recorded human history, the concept of marriage was very much tied to the idea of family.

For example, Susan Treggiari, a professor of Roman history writes "Matrimonium is an institution involving a mother, mater. The idea implicit in the word is that a man takes a woman in marriage, in matrimonium ducere, so that he may have children by her".

Homosexual relationships cannot by definition create a family - they are not a procreative relationship.

I'm not saying they're wrong because of this - this is simply a biological fact.

This is what a lot of gay marriage activists seem to miss - it's not opposition to the idea of them together. If they want to be together, they will be together.

It's simply that they wish to come along and redefine an existing word, to fit a new definition of what a family is.

Perhaps as a society, we will agree - and we will allow "marriage" between any two humans, and gender will become irrelevant.

However, to simply come along and assume, oh, a man and woman get it, so a man and man should get it automatically is either being intentionally blind, or very presumptuous.

A man and woman family is different to one composed of a man and a man - not because one is more valuable or not valuable - but simply because of their roles.

It's like saying, oh, a woman gets pregnant, so she must be more valuable than the man in a marriage. Well no, they are different - they play different parts, and we call them different things.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Sorry, but the whole race versus gay marriage thing has been done to death, and proven patently false. Nobody is stopping gay people from being together. Nor, in many countries/states, are they stopped from claiming the same benefits (e.g. via civil unions). This is simply about them redefining marriage to encompass any two humans, rather than just a man and a woman. I'm not going to go into whether that's "right" or…

Nobody?! Uganda? Russia? India? http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/31/how-evangelicals-wo... "Evangelicals took to Twitter and Facebook to threaten to stop sending money to their sponsored children unless World Vision reversed course." All this over a word?! An etymology war... #not.

Err, couple of corrections.

On a geographical front - the US is a different country to Uganda/Russia/India.

I was speaking on the topic at hand - which is about Brandon Eichs, a US citizen, supporting a US piece of legislation, and about Mozilla, a US organisation who he works for.

Perhaps it's slightly US-centric - but then this is a US-based site. If you want articles about other countries, you're free to submit them.

And secondly, on the religious front - Africa as a whole is not particularly homosexual friendly. I suspect part of this is cultural - they're just very conservative in how they view relationships/marriage.

This isn't about religion, but simply about their society as a whole.

For example, arranged marriages are still common, and they frown very strongly on things like adultery.

So to somehow try to link it to a Californian legislation about legalistic definitions of marriages versus civil unions is a big disingenuous.

Russia and India likewise are two countries that are quite conservative in their values.

It's the same in China -they're most definitely not a Christian society by any stretch (Christianity is basically a punishable offence), but they also don't like LBGT relationships.

The funny thing is - you don't see the same level of noise about this issue in Muslim countries.

I've always wondered why that is.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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post #341

Are people suggesting that holding a personal opinion that is contrary to another person's opinion disqualifies that person from having a job? I haven't seen any suggestions that he has attempted to discriminate, or implement discriminatory policies, against any individuals at Mozilla or otherwise. I voted for Amendment 64 in Colorado to legalize canabis. Should that disqualify me from working because maybe means I g…

For the record, you can still use OKC with Firefox; you just get a lecture when you do it. Is it okay to discriminate against Nazis, or is that hypocritical?

That depends. Have they actually killed people or just talked about it?

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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This is a major bullshit move by okcupid.

I've cancelled my account with them and sent them feedback explaining why it's NOT ok to urge people not to use certain free, open source software.

It's not the "web browser's" fault that somebody at Mozilla has a different opinion about gay marriage than somebody at okcupid.

And on the subject of marriage, people need to remember that "marriage" is man-made, there is no absolute right to an artificial made-up tradition.

The focus and fight should be about legal equality, and recognition of same-sex couples for things like superannuation, health, taxation, and other areas where married couples have benefits and laws based on their married status.

You might argue that "marriage" is the sum of all those laws and rights, plus love, but it's not. Marriage is not the sum of anything, it's just marriage, and if people think it should remain a traditional man woman, bride groom thing, then that is a completely justified argument.

Fight for equality, not for entry into the "marriage club".

I'm not married and don't care either way, but those who do shouldn't be waging war against internet browsers.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Prop 8 was entirely a terminology war. Prop 8 is not magically the entire concept of gay rights. It only addressed the issue of whether California would have same sex marriage or civil unions with identical treatment.

Federal law doesn't recognize civil unions. Separate but equal is never equal.

Then the issue is: Federal law needs to recognise civil unions.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Am I the only one here who thinks that maybe a petition asking Mozilla to pressure Eich to step down may be a better solution to this? I seems that all the years of contributions and sacrifices by the community to build a great product, fight for a better internet and all that mozilla has stood for could be very rapidly undone if we continue portraying it as a homophobic institution. All of this good, from so many pe…

Even better, let's not criticise someone for their beliefs about marriage. "Marriage" is not a person, or natural thing. If people think it should be limited then so be it.

Legal rights on the other hand, that's another matter. The problem is that people lump marriage and legal rights in the same boat, then don't hesitate to unleash hell on anyone who thinks marriage should remain traditional and.. "YOU"RE ANTI-GAY"... wait, what? I just think marriage is between a man and... "YOU'RE HOMOPHOBIC".

I'm sick of it. A lot of people are sick of hearing about gay marriage. Sure, let's recognise civil unions and the rights there, but leave marriage out of it.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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> You don't know Brendan, I don't know Brendan, nobody in previous threads comparing him to fucking racists or the Nazis knows Brendan. I know Brendan. I met him on a number of occasions while working at Mozilla and interacted with him on many more. I think the comparison to racism is completely valid. I don't think he's a bad guy (he was always quite cordial with me) but his actions caused harm to a large number of…

What actions did he take besides donating $1,000 to Prop 8?

He created Javascript
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