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Re: Ask HN: A 19 year old, what should I do?

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I'm not sure where you're physically located, but if you were a young cousin of mine on either the US or Japanese sides of the family, I'd tell you get the degree. If you feel that college is too easy mode for you, feel free to take more difficult or eclectic courses, or throw yourself into extracurriculars. (It's a great time to learn a foreign language.) Why get the degree? 1) Because there is no circumstance where…

> Because there is no circumstance where having an undergraduate degree makes you worse off than not having it. Depending on where you live, one could make the argument that there is some opportunity cost associated with spending 4 years in school along with the debt that would possibly come with it. I went the route of quitting school and becoming a developer full-time as I felt the experience was more valuable than…

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Re: Ask HN: A 19 year old, what should I do?

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Thank you for your response! I'm living in Eastern Europe, Romania; not exactly a tech hub, which is why the college level is so low :/ Most of what I've learned is from free available resources (books, lectures, you name it) Thanks for the points on why I should get the degree, they make sense!

If you're from Romania, did you consider taking a year to study abroad using the Erasmus program, to see how stuff is taught elsewhere ?

Actually yes, but it's the kind of subject that at my college is kept like taboo :/ I'm by far better off starting college again-ish at another college abroad

Re: Ask HN: A 19 year old, what should I do?

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Why an either-or of dropping out or not? Here are some other choices: - Travel for a semester/year around the world - Side projects apart from school; use those to choose to new classes - Transfer to another school and/or country stretching into new opportunities - Pick up a hobby outside of anything you've ever done before - Volunteer at a hospital or in a research lab, both desperately need technical people - Pursu…

I agree. Going to college is not only about getting a degree. It's about learning what you want from life, learning social skills, going abroad for a year, work on different projects, try things out.

Consider it as a time to sharpen and shape your personality, not so much to gather lots of knowledge. You can do that, too, but it's not the only thing you'll learn in college.

Working for a company will be taking enough of your time later on.

I had a great time at university. I studied abroad for a year in the States (I'm German) and I started my business by accident. It was merely a side project, a hobby. Now, almost 8 years later, it's my main source of income and gives me all the freedom I want.

I didn't plan for it, it just happened, maybe because I was in an environment that allowed time to "play".

Re: Ask HN: A 19 year old, what should I do?

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This. Plus, even though it might feel like it doesn't give you enough - it will give you education in fields that you don't learn so easily at home. I dropped out from a university program (non-US citizen, we don't have colleges as you guys do), because I felt it didn't give me enough compared to paid work. However, I regularly wish I stayed for my degree - not because I have a hard time finding employers, but becaus…

What exactly is stopping you to learn what you want? If you are really passionate about it, you find a way, even without college.

Yes, I didn't say it was impossible to learn stuff on your own -- it's just not as easy as if you have scheduled time to do it (during school hours).

And if you are referring to me and my situation, I'm trying to learn as much as I can on my own. But it gets tougher the older one gets, and I have a hard time to find the time.

Re: Ask HN: A 19 year old, what should I do?

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I dropped out of college when I was 19 and worked a couple of sys admin and programming jobs for the next 3.5 years. After that I a) felt like I a had a much better idea about what I wanted to do and b) felt ready and interested in going to university, neither of which where true the first time around.

10 years later I haven't regretted either decision at all. I got much more out of university the second time around since I actually wanted to be there and the work experience I got working those years not only really helped me land my first couple of jobs, but provided invaluable experience that I still rely on. And while I never had much trouble finding jobs without a degree, the jobs I found with a degree are much more interesting and fun.

So my advice is that while university on the whole probably is a good idea, there is nothing that says you have to go to university right out of high school.

Another piece of advice is to remember that there are a lot of courses offered at universities and just because you love programming doesn't mean you have to study CS. I, for example, got my degree in mathematics with a side order of economics, and have found that the combination has opened up a whole avenue of opportunities I probably never would have had if I'd just stuck to programming, while still being able to use my programming skills. So take a step back and reflect over if perhaps there is some other area in addition to programming that you find fascinating and perhaps consider getting a degree in that, when you feel ready..

Re: Ask HN: A 19 year old, what should I do?

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I'm at an engineering-focused uni here in the UK (studying computing), and there are a LOT of Romanian guys in my year - all of them very, very good. The level of mathematics you guys get taught at high school far exceeds that of the UK, let alone the US. You sound like the kind of person who probably sailed through high school and likely has great exam results from there. Combined with the fact that you've got tonne…

I'm actually considering that! Where exactly do you study? I feel like around here they teach us too much math, but no practical stuff and I would like to give it a shot and study abroad

I'm at Imperial College London. It's great for me because the course is very hands-on (I'm in second year, and so far we've built a compiler and an operating system). If you're into the more theoretical stuff elsewhere might be better, but we're pretty highly ranked at the minute so it's a good degree. Lots of industry links too!

Re: Ask HN: A 19 year old, what should I do?

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College is fun. Go there and make friends, if nothing else. Schools are one-size-fits-all everywhere, and you have to deal with it. I'm 21 and struggling to qualify for uni because of my state which is similar to yours. People that are eager to learn real-life stuff usually struggle throughout their education, as far as I can tell.

I didn't want to say this in my post, because honestly OP might have a great social life and just not be enjoying the school part (didn't want to assume). But yes; undergrad was boring as hell for me and I felt I didn't learn much, but it was very worthwhile because it was the most fun time of my life this far, even if for no other reason

Re: Ask HN: A 19 year old, what should I do?

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This. Plus, even though it might feel like it doesn't give you enough - it will give you education in fields that you don't learn so easily at home. I dropped out from a university program (non-US citizen, we don't have colleges as you guys do), because I felt it didn't give me enough compared to paid work. However, I regularly wish I stayed for my degree - not because I have a hard time finding employers, but becaus…

What exactly is stopping you to learn what you want? If you are really passionate about it, you find a way, even without college.

Sometimes you don't know what you want. I listen to broadcast radio because I'm then exposed to things I'm not used to and didn't realize I'd like or be interested in. Likewise, I'm now finding that I'm using topology in odd places, and I was never interested in that when I did my degree. It wasn't cute fun about twisting bits of paper, it was hard work and deeply unintuitive. But now it's turning up repeatedly as I compress images, compute optimal representations, and work out why the various bits of algorithms aren't working the way I thought they would.

My colleagues think I have superpowers because I have this bizarre collection of things apparently immediately "to hand." But I don't. I remember seeing them in passing, ignored because I didn't care, but now I know what I'm looking for and can find it.

The auto-didact route rarely gives you that. JIT learning tends to leave you without overview and with areas of ignorance you don't even know you have. If you knew you had them you'd fix it.

But you don't. And don't.

Re: Ask HN: A 19 year old, what should I do?

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I'm going to suggest you to do the opposite of what I did :)

Do not drop out unless it's for an opportunity you have right now, that can't be postponed or repeated and you're self-critical and objective enough to be realistic about that assessment. Everything else you can do just as well afterwards, without a sacrifice you'll regret.

Context: I formed a company during secondary school (age 16), completed my GCSEs, left to focus on my company which was purchased leaving me as CTO for a 3 year stretch. Dropping out for me was a hard choice, those three years were great, and despite ultimate failure of the company, I'd repeat the experience again in a flash. Those three years give me a CV that demonstrates a motivated, self-starter able to learn technology on the job.

That being said, I've dealt with hiring often enough that I've met way too many of my age group that dropped out without the self-motivation, skills or intelligence to make it work for them. They dropped out because it was the easy and lazy choice. They dropped out because they thought mastery of a single trending technology or process would drive the rest of their careers. They dropped out because delusions of competency reinforced the belief that in comparison to another person of equivalent skill, ability who completed their education, for some bizarre and irrational reason the Universe would weigh in on their side.

Re: Ask HN: A 19 year old, what should I do?

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I personally loved going to college. At ohio state there were 11,000 courses. one of the courses I liked the best was comparitive studies and lingustics. I would have never dived that deep into either of those subjects without college. In compartive studies I had to read a 200+ page book a week and give an indepth analysis of the book not just a summary. Also college shows people you can stick something out for longer than a minute. The point of college is the world outside of programming. The people you meet is the point of college, both intellectually and on a personal level.
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