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Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by dotBen »

lingben wrote: post #79
dotBen wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because while he may have invented Javascript, many people have contributed to it, so that's not really the same issue. We should assume there might be racists/biggots/etc working at Google on Chrome, at Apple on Safari and at Microsoft on Internet Explorer, too. That's not the point. The issue is with Mozilla placing him as their executive leader; the endorsement that makes and the message that sends to the…

You can argue the exact same thing for mozilla and firefox: Brendan did not create firefox/mozilla, he's one of thousands who contributed. People can have their own personal beliefs and as long as that doesn't effect the organization's open and inclusive policies.

I obviously wasn't clear enough - it's not about the contribution it's about leadership.

Brendan was an employee of Mozilla when he made his Prop 8 contribution - that's fine, that's his right and as you point out people are entitled to their own personal beliefs.

The issue is who a company/foundation/organization decides to be it's leader and the values that leader will exert upon the company/foundation/organization and the products it produces.

To be clear, my beef isn't with Brendan Eich (although I'd disagree with him if I met him), it's with Mozilla for selecting him to become CEO.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by ossreality »

ancarda wrote: post #179
lexcorvus wrote: post #75

This from a company that lists only "female" and "male" as gender options—fifty-four fewer than Facebook. Who's insufficiently inclusive now?

Facebook only has male or female on the signup page and you also can only change gender to male or female in the settings: http://imgur.com/OcnmwkB

That hasn't been true for ages. It's an auto-fill/auto-complete combo box now. I can literally put whatever I want in there like "Cis Male".

I don't have strong opinions about what OkCupid is doing here, but it's a bit absurd that they aren't more progressive on the gender frotn.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by Mithaldu »

sentenza wrote: post #175
sentenza wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait. The guy is also the inventor of Javascript. Shouldn't everybody be boycotting that? I mean it has a lot more to do with him than Firefox does. After all, he's the CEO of Mozilla Corporation (not the Foundation), which is only indirectly connected to Firefox, but he _invented_ Javascript! What am I missing here?

So I'm downvoted to hell, but what about my question? It's easy to do a boycott that doesn't hurt you. Everybody can live without Firefox. So why not get serious about this and show people that you are willing to make an actual sacrifice as a stand against his position? Maybe that would be inconvenient?

>> What am I missing here?

> So I'm downvoted to hell, but what about my question?

The question does not deserve an answer, but you are obviously not going to realize and will remain enraged, which would be counter-productive.

Firstly you are missing that there is choice about browsers; but no choice whatsoever in a scripting language in browsers. They are asking their users to make a choice, one that will not hurt their users. By removing all use of JS they would actively hurt their users.

Secondly you are missing that even as CEO of Mozilla he does not remain in control of JS, even if he created it.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by aye »

soperj wrote: post #82
trhway wrote: post #53

>Google Chrome Internet Exploder Opera yep, there is no good working browser around that i can trust. Chrome is just like the "Exploder" only from another, new generation, MS. edit: i fully support the equal rights (among others the right to file joint return with object of your sexual desire) and kind of surprised to learn that a supposedly smart techie would actively support the opposite. I'm surprised at Mozilla t…

Chromium then?

Also, surf (http://surf.suckless.org), or Midori, or Iceweasel, or Uzbl, or Jumanji... :)

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by waterlesscloud »

hkphooey wrote: post #157
eaurouge wrote: post #136

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Why do you say his beliefs are hateful? And, is a person's beliefs/opinion constant and permanent or do they change over time? Here's what Elton John had to say in 2008 (his views have since changed); from HuffPo [1]: "We have a civil partnership," he said, talking about he and longtime partner, David Furnish. "What is wrong with Proposition 8 is that they went for marriage. Marriage is going to put a lot of people o…

Also what about Brian Sewell, a well-known British art critic, writer and broadcaster? Can a gay person be a homophobe? "Why then do they and lesbians demand the right to marry? Indeed, how many of us have made that demand? One in 20? One in 10? Most of us... have not pleaded for gay marriage. But every minority has within it a core of single-issue politicians and protesters who are never satisfied and always ask for…

My anecdotal experience has been that the older generations of gay men haven't cared a lot about gay marriage as an issue. Civil unions give them what they needed legally, and "marriage" as a concept separate from that didn't mean much to them.

I'm completely theorizing as to why, but it's a topic I've discussed with many of them and thought about some on my own.

The following impressions apply to older gay men I've met who don't care much about gay marriage as an issue. I'm explicitly stating I don't believe they necessarily apply to a wider gay community.

I think part of it is that older gay men tend to have been in some longer, more committed relationships, and feel that the reality of day to day loving is what matters to them. Give them legal rights with civil unions and they're good to go. They don't need "marriage" to feel more committed.

I think too older men are more comfortable with themselves and who they are. They have been gay and out (at least to some close friends, if no one else) for long periods of time and don't feel as much shame or need to be "accepted" by everyone. So the symbolic meaning of gay marriage (as opposed to civil unions) carries less weight for them.

And related, they've seen the truly big battles that were fought for the right to be out at all. This one feels smaller to them, less essential in comparison. They're happy with what they have. It's all they feel they need.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by adamors »

ignostic wrote: post #172
adamors wrote: post #125

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> but the CEO IS paid by Mozilla. In the past he has donated to anti-gay-marriage causes, and may continue to do so in the future enabled by Mozilla's money. Going by this logic, we should be vetting every person who works at a company whose product we use, because they may have contributed to some cause we don't agree with.

Yes, and I wish we could. But given the size of companies and products available, we obviously have to do the best we can. It makes sense to start with the company itself and its top leader.

But it's not possible. Every company is lead by scumbags, your only choice is which scumbag's product you buy.

This entire situation reminds me of this scene from 30 Rock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm3TepXcD8A

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by pjbrunet »

gojomo wrote: post #78

And if this doesn't work, eventually when you try to message a Catholic, Mormon, Muslim, or other religiously-observant person from a denomination whose leaders publicly disapprove of homosexuality, you'll see a message from OKCupid like: Religion isn't normally the business of a website. But you've expressed an interest in dating someone whose religion denies equal rights to gay people. Sure, this person may seem OK…

Do you have any theological credentials to back up these accusations?

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by [deleted] »

milsorgen wrote: post #178
intslack wrote: post #156

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More likely his (assumed) belief that marriage can only be between a man and a woman stems from ignorance and his religion instead of bigotry or hate. And while that doesn't negate the harm that his donation caused: please stop comparing him to racists. You don't know Brendan, I don't know Brendan, nobody in previous threads comparing him to fucking racists or the Nazis knows Brendan. It's disgusting, please stop. >S…

>You should take the moral high ground and send him a personal communication detailing how his donation has caused harm. I think there is far to much 'walking on eggshells' these days in regards to rights being infringed.

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Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by aray »

lexcorvus wrote: post #75

This from a company that lists only "female" and "male" as gender options—fifty-four fewer than Facebook. Who's insufficiently inclusive now?

NB: this only happens in english. In any other localization there aren't these options.

I <3 that facebook has done this, but realize that it's only for a fraction of its user base, not the entire site.

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