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Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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MichaelDickens wrote: post #47
thu wrote: post #2

Edit: this link works for everyone (it is provided in another submission): http://www.okcupid.com/home?mozilla_message=1 Edit 2: the Internet Exploder typo is theirs. Here is the text (for those who don't use Firefox): Hello there, Mozilla Firefox user. Pardon this interruption of your OkCupid experience. Mozilla’s new CEO, Brendan Eich, is an opponent of equal rights for gay couples. We would therefore prefer that o…

> Edit: this link works for everyone (it is provided in another submission): http://www.okcupid.com/home?mozilla_message=1 That message doesn't work for me. I think you have to be logged in.

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Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by cgrubb »

davidgerard wrote: post #37
gocarsno wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then I'd say you either don't know how tragic the situation in Uganda is, or you have no sense of proportion.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as "The "not as bad as" argument, or the fallacy of relative privation, is a form of the moral equivalence fallacy that takes note of the existence of things that are worse than what is actually under discussion - for different purposes, as outlined below. It's popular with people who know perfectly well they're doing something wrong; being fully aware that they're doing someth…

Isn't there a false dilemma fallacy? Who invented all these fallacies? They seem to be unavoidable.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by davidgerard »

intslack wrote: post #45
davidgerard wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They released it too late. If they had ANY clue, they'd have thought of this ahead of time. e.g. Brendan donates $2k or $5k to a gay charity requiring a public record (as the Prop 8 donation did) three months ago, someone notices two months ago, he can then stay as gnomic as he likes. Something like that. But, y’know, literally nobody in the upper echelons of Mozilla thought of this. That neither Eich or the board th…

>That neither Eich or the board thought of this ahead of the time does, actually, suggest they're not up to the job. This is SIMPLE STUFF. Evidence suggests that they've been spending months fighting a battle pertaining to picking an insider as CEO, which ultimately caused three members to resign from the Moz Co. board. Which explains why they were so unprepared for anything else. e: Bogus theory by Ars and WSJ, Mozi…

Nevertheless, I'd suggest that being able to walk and chew gum is something a CEO needs.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by Zikes »

davidgerard wrote: post #59
Todd wrote: post #26

Why doesn't OkCupid take a bolder stance and remove all JavaScript from their site? Brendan invented it. I guess that wouldn't be convenient. Better to ask users to inconvenience themselves. This really isn't fair to all of the people who have worked so hard to make Firefox what it is today.

Because there is no trivially replaceable substitute for JavaScript in the site construction, as there is for the browser.

So you're saying that even someone who once made a morally wrong decision can still be competent enough to produce a technology that could serve to become a foundational component to the web as we know it?

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by lawl »

badman_ting wrote: post #51
Todd wrote: post #26

Why doesn't OkCupid take a bolder stance and remove all JavaScript from their site? Brendan invented it. I guess that wouldn't be convenient. Better to ask users to inconvenience themselves. This really isn't fair to all of the people who have worked so hard to make Firefox what it is today.

I agree with the last sentence, but the first is a bit silly.

So boycotting something thousands of developers have worked on (including add-ons) because you don't like something the new CEO of a company did once that has nothing to do with the product you're boycotting is not silly.

But boycotting something that same person invented is.

I don't see the logic here. Really.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by davidgerard »

stormbrew wrote: post #49
diydsp wrote: post #20

OK, so are they going to make a shitstorm out of this single issue, or apply principles equally? IOW: Are we (they) going to dig up ALL of the CEOs of all the products they use and find out who else donated money to anti-gay-marriage organizations and boycott all of them? Here's a partial list: http://www.phillymag.com/news/2012/08/01/boycott-chick-fil-a...

No one should ever do anything for social justice reasons unless they solve every problem in the history of mankind as well!

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as remains a perennial bad argument.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by intslack »

Osmose wrote: post #55
intslack wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That neither Eich or the board thought of this ahead of the time does, actually, suggest they're not up to the job. This is SIMPLE STUFF. Evidence suggests that they've been spending months fighting a battle pertaining to picking an insider as CEO, which ultimately caused three members to resign from the Moz Co. board. Which explains why they were so unprepared for anything else. e: Bogus theory by Ars and WSJ, Mozi…

Two of the three resignations were planned beforehand and were not related to the CEO choice (see the update at the bottom of http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/three-mozilla-board-... ).

Thanks for the clarification, haven't been following this very closely and didn't read Mozilla's statement in response (it wasn't very prompt.)

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by davidgerard »

zobzu wrote: post #57
ancarda wrote: post #10

I really think Eich is going to have to step down at some point. The backlash hasn't calmed down and Mozilla is going to risk losing more users over this. At some point you have to ask if it's really worth it. Does Eich bring more value to Mozilla that countless developers and users that are boycotting the software?

actually stepping down might be worse than not, at this point. besides, people complaining about it are quite dumb: eich has been a major player in firefox since the birth of firefox. so basically, nothing has changed - him being ceo or not. If anything, this is triggered by people who want to hurt firefox, in any possible way. This includes but isn't limited to, competitors (Google Chrome, IE, etc.), disgruntled vol…

Yes, it must be astroturf, not anyone sincerely pissed off on principle. Well done.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by fennecfoxen »

Todd wrote: post #26

Why doesn't OkCupid take a bolder stance and remove all JavaScript from their site? Brendan invented it. I guess that wouldn't be convenient. Better to ask users to inconvenience themselves. This really isn't fair to all of the people who have worked so hard to make Firefox what it is today.

Why doesn't OKCupid take a bolder stance and give a button to all their users when they sign in, asking, "Do you support marriage equality?" If they click "no", it deletes your account.

I mean, as long as you've decided this is the sort of thing your business ought to be concerning itself with...

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