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Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

#31
Mozilla released a blog post on Saturday clearly stating:

> Mozilla supports equality for all, including marriage equality for LGBT couples.

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/03/29/mozilla-supports-lg...

There's no evidence that Brendan Eich will bring any of his political views to the workplace; this continued backlash feels unwarranted.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think honksillet said supporting equal rights is petulant and abrasive.

My interpretation of what honksillet said was that OKCupid asking users not to use Firefox is petulant and abrasive. If I am incorrect, I'll retract my statement [honksillet: reply to me if this is the case]. OKCupid's business revolves around personal relationships. Some of those relationships are same sex relationships. To OKC, this issue is important to them. Let's not confuse meaningful concern with rhetoric. How…

A mode of expression can be petulant and abrasive even if the underlying message is good. Social justice advocacy is full of abrasive and petulant people who do a poor job of representing good causes.

edit: Can you stop with the downvotes? I'm not arguing that OKCupid's message is petulant and abrasive. I was trying to make sense of what honksillet was saying.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Mr. Eich had their way, then roughly 8% of the relationships we’ve worked so hard to bring about would be illegal" I don't know much about Eich, but I don't think he was working to make same-sex relationships illegal (like Uganda or nigeria). it does okcupid no credit to infer that he does (using weasel words like "people like Mr eich".) saying "eich wanted to prevent 8% of our customers from enjoying the fulfillmen…

I don't know much about Eich, but I don't think he was working to make same-sex relationships illegal He's on record as having made a fairly substantial donation to the Prop 8 campaign. That may not be "Fred Phelps" — let alone "Uganda" — levels of anti-marriage-equality, but it's close enough for my purposes.

Then I'd say you either don't know how tragic the situation in Uganda is, or you have no sense of proportion.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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post #31

Mozilla released a blog post on Saturday clearly stating: > Mozilla supports equality for all, including marriage equality for LGBT couples. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/03/29/mozilla-supports-lg... There's no evidence that Brendan Eich will bring any of his political views to the workplace; this continued backlash feels unwarranted.

They released it too late.

If they had ANY clue, they'd have thought of this ahead of time. e.g. Brendan donates $2k or $5k to a gay charity requiring a public record (as the Prop 8 donation did) three months ago, someone notices two months ago, he can then stay as gnomic as he likes. Something like that. But, y’know, literally nobody in the upper echelons of Mozilla thought of this.

That neither Eich or the board thought of this ahead of the time does, actually, suggest they're not up to the job. This is SIMPLE STUFF.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know much about Eich, but I don't think he was working to make same-sex relationships illegal He's on record as having made a fairly substantial donation to the Prop 8 campaign. That may not be "Fred Phelps" — let alone "Uganda" — levels of anti-marriage-equality, but it's close enough for my purposes.

Then I'd say you either don't know how tragic the situation in Uganda is, or you have no sense of proportion.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as

"The "not as bad as" argument, or the fallacy of relative privation, is a form of the moral equivalence fallacy that takes note of the existence of things that are worse than what is actually under discussion - for different purposes, as outlined below. It's popular with people who know perfectly well they're doing something wrong; being fully aware that they're doing something wrong, they feel compelled to attempt to justify it and do so by pointing to other, usually worse, actions."

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

#38

This is petulant and abrasive. Eich's personal politic's is only tangentially related to OkCupid business and not at all related to Mozilla's business. Also it should be obvious that Eich != Mozilla. It is very off-putting to have a company bludgeon it's user with the personal politics of it's runners.

Agree. They should keep quiet, and just take it. Just sit there and don't say anything. Don't be another MLK Jr. and turn this into some kind of personal political thing.

These fools would turn it into some kind of weird personal political fight if we castrate the next Turing. Hey, it's just a chemical castration. No need to make it personal. It's actually good for you.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My interpretation of what honksillet said was that OKCupid asking users not to use Firefox is petulant and abrasive. If I am incorrect, I'll retract my statement [honksillet: reply to me if this is the case]. OKCupid's business revolves around personal relationships. Some of those relationships are same sex relationships. To OKC, this issue is important to them. Let's not confuse meaningful concern with rhetoric. How…

A mode of expression can be petulant and abrasive even if the underlying message is good. Social justice advocacy is full of abrasive and petulant people who do a poor job of representing good causes. edit: Can you stop with the downvotes? I'm not arguing that OKCupid's message is petulant and abrasive. I was trying to make sense of what honksillet was saying.

The tone argument turns out not to be very convincing.
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