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Each of the non-Firefox browsers falls short of my needs in its own way. Firefox is more than one bigot at the top. And people will be watching him like a hawk for bad behavior, so I doubt it'll be an issue.
See also, from the other side of the world: http://gaynewsnetwork.com.au/news/victoria/vac-gmhc-to-boyco... That's a significant gay charity issuing a press release to say they're boycotting.
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The takeaway is that businesses and non-profits don't operate in a vacuum, and there are real consequences for having a bigot as the head of your operation. I find it highly disingenuous to call supporting equal rights "petulant and abrasive".
I don't think honksillet said supporting equal rights is petulant and abrasive.
OKCupid's business revolves around personal relationships. Some of those relationships are same sex relationships. To OKC, this issue is important to them. Let's not confuse meaningful concern with rhetoric.
How is this any different then when same sex couples boycotted businesses in California where the owner donated to Prop 8 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)]?
Edit: this link works for everyone (it is provided in another submission): http://www.okcupid.com/home?mozilla_message=1 Edit 2: the Internet Exploder typo is theirs. Here is the text (for those who don't use Firefox): Hello there, Mozilla Firefox user. Pardon this interruption of your OkCupid experience. Mozilla’s new CEO, Brendan Eich, is an opponent of equal rights for gay couples. We would therefore prefer that o…
"Mr. Eich had their way, then roughly 8% of the relationships we’ve worked so hard to bring about would be illegal" I don't know much about Eich, but I don't think he was working to make same-sex relationships illegal (like Uganda or nigeria). it does okcupid no credit to infer that he does (using weasel words like "people like Mr eich".) saying "eich wanted to prevent 8% of our customers from enjoying the fulfillmen…
He's on record as having made a fairly substantial donation to the Prop 8 campaign. That may not be "Fred Phelps" — let alone "Uganda" — levels of anti-marriage-equality, but it's close enough for my purposes.
This is petulant and abrasive. Eich's personal politic's is only tangentially related to OkCupid business and not at all related to Mozilla's business. Also it should be obvious that Eich != Mozilla. It is very off-putting to have a company bludgeon it's user with the personal politics of it's runners.
It is everyone's business. The sooner the culture makes an othered minority issue socially repugnant and less some sort of innocuous personal political belief as you hint, the greater the chance for longer term change.
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"Mr. Eich had their way, then roughly 8% of the relationships we’ve worked so hard to bring about would be illegal" I don't know much about Eich, but I don't think he was working to make same-sex relationships illegal (like Uganda or nigeria). it does okcupid no credit to infer that he does (using weasel words like "people like Mr eich".) saying "eich wanted to prevent 8% of our customers from enjoying the fulfillmen…
"but I don't think he was working to make same-sex relationships illegal" No, just marriage. His $1000 annulled existing gay marriages, and the situation didn't recover until 2013. You can't seriously expect that there won't be LOTS of people REALLY PISSED OFF ABOUT THAT. You can think they're wrong ... but those people are your prospective customers too.
They just wouldn't be recognized by the state. That is way different than what OKCupid is trying to say.
But alas, it is not a technical reason. Nor even a product oriented one. It is a political statement regarding the head of the nonprofit Mozilla Foundation. So he made a mistake. Once. Maybe many times. That's his personal dealings, and while one may dislike Eich personally for this, and one may be inclined to not vote for Eich in, say, a public election, I find it absurd to protest a product that has but a tenuous connection to the man.
Firefox is, has been, and probably will be for a long time into the future (we hope) a product of many hardworking people, perhaps the least of which is the CEO, so far removed from the product we all know and (some) love. The speed, the engineering... Has nothing to do with Eich. He drives the overall vision of the foundation, naturally, as CEOs do. Does his personal preference/mistake mean he's going to destroy Firefox? No. Does it even mean he will destroy Mozilla with his personal viewpoint on social issues? Probably not. Does it mean he a "bad" guy? Well, on the whole one is inclined to say no, although it will and is argued he has a character flaw, this may be true.
The philosophy of dropping one of the most widely use browsers (outside of corporate environments) simply due to one man's one-time view... Seem absurd.
(I've tried my best to avoid putting my own opinion on his viewpoint in here, but perhaps he's made a mistake or two in the past. Given the amount of criticism recently, this much is clear, now.)
OK, so are they going to make a shitstorm out of this single issue, or apply principles equally? IOW: Are we (they) going to dig up ALL of the CEOs of all the products they use and find out who else donated money to anti-gay-marriage organizations and boycott all of them? Here's a partial list: http://www.phillymag.com/news/2012/08/01/boycott-chick-fil-a...
If you sincerely don't understand this, it is possible that you do not understand the Internet customer base sufficiently.