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Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by DanBC »

skrebbel wrote: post #10

Is this just to troll? Even if someone looking for 4chan.org enteres 4chan.com first, isn't close to 100% of the target audience able to figure out what went wrong and fix it within seconds? (either by trying .org and co, or by dropping the tld altogether to trigger a web search).

Given the amount of "open this image in notepad" malware I'm guessing 4chon wants to reduce possible attack vectors as much as possible.

I wonder what the ad revenue would be from that domain? And would m00t be able to put ads on 4chan.com?

Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by nivla »

Shinkei wrote: post #24

Let's say I run a town with shopping centers. Both are called Main Street Shopping but one is located on Main St and 1st and the other is located at Main St and 120th. When you show up at Main St and 1st, is it a bussling shopping center filled with stores of all kinds. When you GPS Main Street Shopping Center and accidentally arrive at the other location, you just find a parking lot with an empty field with a "comin…

Alright let me take your example and turn it around. Say someone decides to build a big fancy complex mall on Main St that will not only generate 10's of thousands employment but also attract a good amount of tourists. They finally found the plot of land, bought it and put up a sign called "Coming Soon". Pushing the paperwork, completing the construction would take 5+ years. In the mean time, someone read about this big project and decides to built a mini mart called Main St. Shopping right around the corner and demands the original Mall should be renamed. Now what? Now who is creating a bigger waste?

Things are not always black and white. If Google decides to squat on a domain for a future project, would you still called it squatting? Or them owning Google.io despite not having a business in these tiny islands be considered squatting too?

Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by trentmb »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #38

Interesting, I've never met a domain squatter that didn't have a price, but setting that aside for now, is the word '4chan' trademarked? Ahh I see it is [1] as of March 5th of this year. This will be interesting to see how it plays out. [1] http://trademarks.justia.com/858/67/4chan-85867485.html

4chan.com was created in 2003. Does 'prior art' exist for trademarks?

Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by gamblor956 »

_puk wrote: post #26
_puk wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the flip side, I had a .com domain on backorder (I have the .co.uk), which was actually released. I didn't get it (regardless of the back-order), but it got bought up by a domain squatting company who now want about $4K for it. It is currently parked with a horrendous page that doesn't even render correctly. Now if my my .co.uk site were to get popular (hah!), I fully expect that price tag to increase. It's a biza…

Oh, and I had the trademark for said site..

If you have a trademark and the current domain owner is simply squatting, you should file a dispute with ICAAN. It has a process specifically intended for your situation.

Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by throwaway2048 »

noonespecial wrote: post #33
chrismonsanto wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is the whole 'eminent domain' debate in a nutshell. Not quite--eminent domain is also used to take property from people who ARE using it. And I think that is where that debate gets very thorny, because the compensation is not always worth the costs of uprooting someone from their home.

Eminent domain hits the skids when it takes property from someone that is living there and pays them the market price for someone who wants to sell to someone who wants to stay . Those are different prices indeed.

It is especially bad when the market value is depressed to almost nothing by the development to begin with, leaving people doubly shafted

Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by w0rm »

trentmb wrote: post #43
ChuckMcM wrote: post #38

Interesting, I've never met a domain squatter that didn't have a price, but setting that aside for now, is the word '4chan' trademarked? Ahh I see it is [1] as of March 5th of this year. This will be interesting to see how it plays out. [1] http://trademarks.justia.com/858/67/4chan-85867485.html

4chan.com was created in 2003. Does 'prior art' exist for trademarks?

yes, trademarks do not need to be registered and can be used before filing for it.

Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by Dylan16807 »

nivla wrote: post #42
Shinkei wrote: post #24

Let's say I run a town with shopping centers. Both are called Main Street Shopping but one is located on Main St and 1st and the other is located at Main St and 120th. When you show up at Main St and 1st, is it a bussling shopping center filled with stores of all kinds. When you GPS Main Street Shopping Center and accidentally arrive at the other location, you just find a parking lot with an empty field with a "comin…

Alright let me take your example and turn it around. Say someone decides to build a big fancy complex mall on Main St that will not only generate 10's of thousands employment but also attract a good amount of tourists. They finally found the plot of land, bought it and put up a sign called "Coming Soon". Pushing the paperwork, completing the construction would take 5+ years. In the mean time, someone read about this…

For the domain analogy, if they have a mini mart then they are actually using the address in a non-squatting way and nobody has to rename. (and an enormous under-construction mall is clearly not squatting either)

A future project will go a good way toward keeping a domain, probably not indefinitely, isn't usually relevant to the squatting case.

TLDs don't actually signify location so getting company.xyz is not squatting.

Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by Shinkei »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #35
Shinkei wrote: post #24

Let's say I run a town with shopping centers. Both are called Main Street Shopping but one is located on Main St and 1st and the other is located at Main St and 120th. When you show up at Main St and 1st, is it a bussling shopping center filled with stores of all kinds. When you GPS Main Street Shopping Center and accidentally arrive at the other location, you just find a parking lot with an empty field with a "comin…

> Just because you own something DOESN'T give you impunity to 'waste' it as you see fit. // Sure it does. IF you own it. > These are greedy people just speculatively buying stuff without any real interest. // This is capitalism. The more damaging domain as you suggest is real-estate. Online the problem becomes simply "oh example.com wasn't right, example.org ... oh, ya, there it is". That might be a very minor annoya…

>if you have a swimming pool and aren't using it as much as the public feel you should that it can be confiscated. Or, say, you have 2 cars - well clearly you can't drive both at once; repossession by the state, et cetera

This has nothing to do with what I said. Neither a swimming pool nor a car is a scarce resource. Now if you owned the only bridge to an island and didn't allow people to use it, or charged them extortionary rates... then we can begin the debate.

>Sure it does. IF you own it.

I'll tell you what, go let your house collapse from disrepair, attempt to assert mineral rights in your backyard and then pour raw sewage onto your land.... we'll see if the zoning code enforcement, county lawyers and EPA respectively come knocking or not. Despite your assertion, there is very little that we actually own in the real property market. This is because it is in the public interest to have the many protections that we have.

Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by Shinkei »

nivla wrote: post #42
Shinkei wrote: post #24

Let's say I run a town with shopping centers. Both are called Main Street Shopping but one is located on Main St and 1st and the other is located at Main St and 120th. When you show up at Main St and 1st, is it a bussling shopping center filled with stores of all kinds. When you GPS Main Street Shopping Center and accidentally arrive at the other location, you just find a parking lot with an empty field with a "comin…

Alright let me take your example and turn it around. Say someone decides to build a big fancy complex mall on Main St that will not only generate 10's of thousands employment but also attract a good amount of tourists. They finally found the plot of land, bought it and put up a sign called "Coming Soon". Pushing the paperwork, completing the construction would take 5+ years. In the mean time, someone read about this…

>In the mean time, someone read about this big project and decides to built a mini mart called Main St. Shopping right around the corner

Are you trying to stengthen my argument? You've just proven that they were doing the very thing I'm arguing is unethical. Now if they incidentally named their shopping plaza this name and they can prove it was coincidence... well then we have an argument.

As for Google.io, they DO have a business there... and all over the internet. If there was an existing business there named Google that say delivered math lessons to homeschoolers, then I would say Google could not legitimately claim them as squatting.

This is a "I know it when I see it" standard. It's usually pretty obvious what is squatting and what is not.

Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by Shinkei »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #39
Shinkei wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that it's 'more popular.' That's not the debate. The debate is that the .com site is being squatted. If it was some 4chan interior design company with even some legitimate business, then the debate would be over. Do you think it's a bad precedent if Google becomes popular and you can show that a person subsequently registered all the single permutation misspellings of Google and then tried to sell them back…

Define squatted (or define legitimate use) - if the owner is using the domain for email and simply finds serving advertising provides some income, is that squatting; given there is no confusion issue. If they have a project in hand, or bought it to give to their child when they're 18, or ... are all those squatting? How about, as for me, they renewed for a client and then the client didn't pay but now wants "their" d…

The courts can decide squatted/legitimate use. I mean, were you using email@4chan.com before 4chan.org was starting up? And for that matter why would you be saving 4chan.com for your child? Are you 'speculating' that it will be worth more over time? Or is their name Mrs. Four Chan? It should be easy to make your claim if it's bona fide.

Again, this is a 'I know it when I see it.'

That client thing is shitty and that sounds like actually you have a great argument. Especially if you just post your negative blog post/review of that company redirected from that domain.

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