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Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by ycombasks »

smithzvk wrote: post #158
ycombasks wrote: post #111

Any idea if it will be possible to keep the menu in the title bar from being hidden? It looks like you have to mouse-over to show it, which could be a pain if I'm trying to access it often. I'd like to see where to take my mouse without guessing.

I just watched a video overview of the changes. It seems like you must still mouse over to reveal the menus, even with the new option to put menus in the title bar of the window instead of at the top.

That's a bit annoying. Hopefully someone will release a patch or something that keeps it from hiding.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by smithzvk »

ycombasks wrote: post #201
smithzvk wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just watched a video overview of the changes. It seems like you must still mouse over to reveal the menus, even with the new option to put menus in the title bar of the window instead of at the top.

That's a bit annoying. Hopefully someone will release a patch or something that keeps it from hiding.

I think this is a reminder that different interfaces work for different people. I think that the Unity interface, with its hidden menu bars, application menus, scroll bars, etc. is almost perfect and a clear step in the right direction (with the huge exception that it crashes frequently, hopefully this will be fixed for me in the 14.04 release). The idea that I would ever access a drop down menu by mouse is in some way ridiculous and signifies a failure of the application's user interface. Again, that is what I think and it is obvious that other people think drastically different things.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by ycombasks »

smithzvk wrote: post #202
ycombasks wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a bit annoying. Hopefully someone will release a patch or something that keeps it from hiding.

I think this is a reminder that different interfaces work for different people. I think that the Unity interface, with its hidden menu bars, application menus, scroll bars, etc. is almost perfect and a clear step in the right direction (with the huge exception that it crashes frequently, hopefully this will be fixed for me in the 14.04 release). The idea that I would ever access a drop down menu by mouse is in some w…

How else would you access it? I often access the toolbar in Sublime Text, for example, so I'd like to keep it visible.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by smithzvk »

ycombasks wrote: post #203
smithzvk wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a reminder that different interfaces work for different people. I think that the Unity interface, with its hidden menu bars, application menus, scroll bars, etc. is almost perfect and a clear step in the right direction (with the huge exception that it crashes frequently, hopefully this will be fixed for me in the 14.04 release). The idea that I would ever access a drop down menu by mouse is in some w…

How else would you access it? I often access the toolbar in Sublime Text, for example, so I'd like to keep it visible.

Typically via holding alt and pressing short cut keys. That is the old way to do it. Unity introduced a new way to do it where you use the alt key and a text box comes up which allows you to search the options by keyword. It could be done better in Unity, but I still like it better than searching though the hierarchy that mostly never made sense to me.

The real answer is that things like Vim and Emacs long ago came up with interfaces that don't require toolbars/menubars. They were added a long time ago, but I am amongst the people that turn them off and don't use them even though they are available. For many of us, mousing is less efficient than well tuned muscle memory.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by ycombasks »

smithzvk wrote: post #204
ycombasks wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How else would you access it? I often access the toolbar in Sublime Text, for example, so I'd like to keep it visible.

Typically via holding alt and pressing short cut keys. That is the old way to do it. Unity introduced a new way to do it where you use the alt key and a text box comes up which allows you to search the options by keyword. It could be done better in Unity, but I still like it better than searching though the hierarchy that mostly never made sense to me. The real answer is that things like Vim and Emacs long ago came u…

Perhaps so. I tried Ubuntu with Unity a little while ago and didn't like it much--I'm used to minimizing to the taskbar and seeing the names of the programs. I settled on Linux Mint as it offers a clean and "classical" way of doing things.

I'll consider trying out Ubuntu again when 14.04 LTS comes out this month. Maybe I'll get used to it, who knows.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by smithzvk »

ycombasks wrote: post #205
smithzvk wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Typically via holding alt and pressing short cut keys. That is the old way to do it. Unity introduced a new way to do it where you use the alt key and a text box comes up which allows you to search the options by keyword. It could be done better in Unity, but I still like it better than searching though the hierarchy that mostly never made sense to me. The real answer is that things like Vim and Emacs long ago came u…

Perhaps so. I tried Ubuntu with Unity a little while ago and didn't like it much--I'm used to minimizing to the taskbar and seeing the names of the programs. I settled on Linux Mint as it offers a clean and "classical" way of doing things. I'll consider trying out Ubuntu again when 14.04 LTS comes out this month. Maybe I'll get used to it, who knows.

To me Unity just made sense and if not for it crashing entirely too often and incurring a performance hit due to all the eye candy, I wouldn't look further.

To me the nice thing about GNU/Linux on the desktop is that each person can have the interface they want. This has secondary benefits where if you have your interface which is significantly different from my preferred interface, it forces application developers that really care about supporting their users to develop high quality abstraction layers that support both. The same goes for software packaging, driver support, general compatibility of proprietary software, etc. So, by all means, keep using Mint, it is in my best interest if you do (and yours, and everybody elses).

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by broodbucket »

JanezStupar wrote: post #84
rufugee wrote: post #72

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I recently switched to Fedora 20, and my Optimus is working well there with the nouveau drivers...

Nouveau has absolutely no Optimus support. You are actually saying that Intel 4000 is working well in Fedora 20 :D

Late reply, but Bumblebee supports nouveau, which is probably what he's talking about.
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