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Strangecoin: a proposal for a nonlinear currency

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Re: Strangecoin: a proposal for a nonlinear currency

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users cannot engage in transactions with themselves. Updated the doc to reflect this.

What would you do if I created another address?

From my G+ reshare, in the context of a question about account caps:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+DanielEstrada/posts/hQfNmirDfsm

> I suppose one way around the cap would be for users to maintain multiple accounts. I have no objection to this in principle, although it has an impact on the networks they can develop on any one account. If I have 20 Strangecoin accounts all coupled to and supporting each other, but are only receiving income through one account connected to the external network, then my subnet isn't going to grow larger as a whole than the one node connected externally. So I can't use multiple accounts to inflate just my identity. If I'm using multiple accounts, it's because I want to maintain multiple identities. Again I have no objection to this, or at least the protocol I've described doesn't rule it out. 

Re: Strangecoin: a proposal for a nonlinear currency

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What is the motivation for this?

The big advantage of money is as a communication mechanism: An increase of demand of pencils, though price chnges, can increase the demand for burgers in a town where the wood for said pencils is made, even though the purchasers have absolutely no idea, and no control, over the results of their actions.

Sending positive and negative feedback to transactions has the opposite effect: It avoids the information hiding that is the key to making the economy tractable, and makes what are simple decisions much more complicated, but I suddenly have to care about what people think about the suppliers of my suppliers.

I suspect a economy running on this strangecoin would be less effective than one running on a regular currency, just like it's much harder to be gay in a tiny homophobic town than in a large, relatively anonymous big city.

Re: Strangecoin: a proposal for a nonlinear currency

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Strangecoin transactions can be nonzero sum. A Strangecoin transaction might result in both parties having more Strangecoin. Strangecoin transactions can be one-sided and can be conducted entirely by only one party to the transaction. If I'm reading that correctly, could I give myself infinite StrangeCoin?

Users cannot engage in transactions with themselves. Updated the doc to reflect this.

I don't even have to engage in transactions with myself, but create a small cartel that really love each others' transactions. Think of the good old link farm sites from the early days of Google. You pay, and a bunch of positive feedback is provided between sites.

In your case, you could even do the opposite: Pay me and my friends, or we will dislike every transaction you will ever make. Built-in racketeering

Re: Strangecoin: a proposal for a nonlinear currency

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'Basic income' which is not coupled to any expenditure (e.g. by mining) will have a tragedy of the commons problem in a pseudonymous system. In a pseudonymous system, I can make as many addresses / accounts as I like (since a pseudonym is, by definition, not tied to any real identity). Therefore, to maximise income, someone can create duplicate addresses, causing the basic income to be distributed according to the nu…

Answered to another question below, from my G+ reshare, in the context of a question about account caps:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+DanielEstrada/posts/hQfNmirDfsm

> I suppose one way around the cap would be for users to maintain multiple accounts. I have no objection to this in principle, although it has an impact on the networks they can develop on any one account. If I have 20 Strangecoin accounts all coupled to and supporting each other, but are only receiving income through one account connected to the external network, then my subnet isn't going to grow larger as a whole than the one node connected externally. So I can't use multiple accounts to inflate just my identity. If I'm using multiple accounts, it's because I want to maintain multiple identities. Again I have no objection to this, or at least the protocol I've described doesn't rule it out. 

Re: Strangecoin: a proposal for a nonlinear currency

#16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users cannot engage in transactions with themselves. Updated the doc to reflect this.

What would you do if I created another address?

author: don't use a url shortener or HN will kill your post. For those who don't have showdead turned on, here was his response:

From my G+ reshare, in the context of a question about account caps:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+DanielEstrada/posts/hQfNmirDfsm

> I suppose one way around the cap would be for users to maintain multiple accounts. I have no objection to this in principle, although it has an impact on the networks they can develop on any one account. If I have 20 Strangecoin accounts all coupled to and supporting each other, but are only receiving income through one account connected to the external network, then my subnet isn't going to grow larger as a whole than the one node connected externally. So I can't use multiple accounts to inflate just my identity. If I'm using multiple accounts, it's because I want to maintain multiple identities. Again I have no objection to this, or at least the protocol I've described doesn't rule it out. 

Re: Strangecoin: a proposal for a nonlinear currency

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post #12

What is the motivation for this? The big advantage of money is as a communication mechanism: An increase of demand of pencils, though price chnges, can increase the demand for burgers in a town where the wood for said pencils is made, even though the purchasers have absolutely no idea, and no control, over the results of their actions. Sending positive and negative feedback to transactions has the opposite effect: It…

Traditional money makes certain features of the economic system tractable, but it masks other important relationships that constraint its behavior. The question isn't whether or not the the transactions should be shaped by feedback from the network; the question instead is which features of the economic network do we want to make salient to agents in that network.

You might think of Strangecoin as a way of making features of the interdependence of economic relationships salient in each transaction. In the parlance of STDs, I'm not just trading with you, I'm trading with everyone else you are trading with.

I'm not sure I understand your analogy to small homophobic towns, but I suppose you mean that people with less economic support will have less representation in Strangecoin. It's true that Strangecoin will be disposed to preferential attachment, but I'm not sure any economic system wouldn't. It's a feature of the system that it makes these attachment relations explicit, a feature of the existing economy that is completely masked over with traditional money.

Re: Strangecoin: a proposal for a nonlinear currency

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you do if I created another address?

author: don't use a url shortener or HN will kill your post. For those who don't have showdead turned on, here was his response: From my G+ reshare, in the context of a question about account caps: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+DanielEstrada/posts/hQfNmirDfsm > I suppose one way around the cap would be for users to maintain multiple accounts. I have no objection to this in principle, although it has an impact on the n…

@author:

Define the "external network". What keeps a single entity from simulating a network just as large as everyone else combined? At that point, how does one determine which network is the "correct" one, though both are the same size with the exact same connectedness stats?

Re: Strangecoin: a proposal for a nonlinear currency

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post #12

What is the motivation for this? The big advantage of money is as a communication mechanism: An increase of demand of pencils, though price chnges, can increase the demand for burgers in a town where the wood for said pencils is made, even though the purchasers have absolutely no idea, and no control, over the results of their actions. Sending positive and negative feedback to transactions has the opposite effect: It…

Traditional money makes certain features of the economic system tractable, but it masks other important relationships that constraint its behavior. The question isn't whether or not the the transactions should be shaped by feedback from the network; the question instead is which features of the economic network do we want to make salient to agents in that network. You might think of Strangecoin as a way of making fea…

I think Strangecoin is super interesting. I think his analogy was that with a coin where relationships matter, you have to care how a person is connected, when you deal with them. I think it could be a feature, not a bug, even if it makes things less efficient.
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