Excuse my ignorance, but does anybody knows why they are doing it? Is there any piece of news I missed?
DNS results now being manipulated in Turkey
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#32Seems like Erdogan is hell-bent on restricting free speech in Turkey. Somehow it is comforting how abysmally bad he is at doing that though...
The elections are tomorrow and it's prohibited by law to broadcast political rallies on the last day. The pro-government TV channels are broadcasting Erdogan's rallies while other TV channels respect the law(and they are afraid of disproportional penalties if they do the same). So today only Erdogan is on national TV.
The best democracy money can buy!
Re: DNS results now being manipulated in Turkey
#33Excuse my ignorance, but does anybody knows why they are doing it? Is there any piece of news I missed?
Yes, you missed quite a bit. They tried to block Twitter and Youtube, and then people started using Google DNS, OpenDNS or others to circumvent the block.
Some leaks about Erdogan's corruption and false flag attack in Turkey to blame Syria and go to war with it came out in those channels, and he wanted people to stop talking about it or see the leaks. I think some elections are in Turkey soon, too.
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#34Excuse my ignorance, but does anybody knows why they are doing it? Is there any piece of news I missed?
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#35Excuse my ignorance, but does anybody knows why they are doing it? Is there any piece of news I missed?
There have been some sound recording leaks in Turkey, exposing high ranking government officials' and Erdogan's private conversations, which is absolutely scandalous. This sunday, there will be an election, and the ruling party doesn't want people to listen to these records prior to the election. As you can guess, this material was primarily published through YouTube, hence the blockage.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
The elections are tomorrow and it's prohibited by law to broadcast political rallies on the last day. The pro-government TV channels are broadcasting Erdogan's rallies while other TV channels respect the law(and they are afraid of disproportional penalties if they do the same). So today only Erdogan is on national TV.
The best democracy money can buy!
Actually, whereas I don't think Turkey is that far "gone" on the antidemocratic spectrum, but it has one thing in common with more severe cases of "border-line" democracy, like Russia: It's not the money that rigs the government, it's the government that rigs the money.
In some sense, the US with their absurdly high campaign spending, avoid this kind of corruption either way just by competition.
Even if a single interest group/company would try to outright "buy" a presidential campaign (which hardly works anyway), all the other interest groups combined have an incentive to "buy" it back. Which is why politicians can't be controlled through donations as often as TV Shows might want you to believe.
Erdogan however just rigs the regulation in a way that benefits his reelection and accumulation of wealth. No competition, no problem...
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
The elections are tomorrow and it's prohibited by law to broadcast political rallies on the last day. The pro-government TV channels are broadcasting Erdogan's rallies while other TV channels respect the law(and they are afraid of disproportional penalties if they do the same). So today only Erdogan is on national TV.
So every voter in Turkey essentially knows what Erdogan is doing. So nobody who understands democracy should vote for Erdogan. If however not enough people understand democracy ...
Erdogan claims that there is a "global conspiracy to stop the rise of Turkey" and people who believe him don't care much about the unlawful things he is doing because you know, Turkey is under attack and extraordinary measures should be taken to protect the country.
Polls show that %77 of the population believe the corruption case against the government is real.
However the situation is really complicated. Without going into details, I have to say that probably there is a real conspiracy orchestrated by the Gulen(islamic cleric allegedly with big influence on the judiciary & law enforcement) movement because some of the leaked tapes seems to be collected illegally.
The Gulen movement was close ally with the government till recently. They probably collected evidence about the corruption in the government since years and waited until the right moment comes to start the criminal case. The PM responded by demonizing the whole movement and suspending the rule of law.
The allegations against the Gulen movement are not proven at all but few years ago the same prosecutors started a case against the military and lot's of unlawful things took place during the whole trail process. That time the PM Erdogan strongly supported the case but today he claims that this was a conspiracy against the Turkish army.
Many lawyers agree that lots of the evidence against the military was fabricated and many people were imprisoned for political reasons.
Back then a sex tape of the main opposition party leader was leaked and PM Erdogan used it as a political tool. Today the same PM claims that these leaks about corruption are invasion of his privacy. Another leak shows that the PM was involved in the filming and distribution of the sex tape of the opposition party.
It's just huge mess here.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
> another solution would be for YouTube to require SSL for all connections coming from Turkish IPs. What? NO! They are messing with the DNS results from 8.8.4.4 (Google DNS) Too early for TLS to do anything. Maybe with HSTS, but I still doubt that HSTS is any effective against state level MITM.
You're right. Maybe if they turned on and required SSL for everyone visiting www.youtube.com and added www.youtube.com to Chrome's preloaded HSTS list and somehow got everyone to use Chrome. Sadly, this probably won't happen, but DNSSEC adoption probably won't happen either. Even with DNSSEC, they could still do deep packet inspection on HTTP traffic going to YouTube IPs and initiate MITM attacks that way.
Why not ditch the current DNS system and use Namecoin? If you have to force some piece of software into users computers, let's do it right at least...
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#39There are many more public DNS servers out there, too many to block.There is a nice comprehensive list here: http://public-dns.tk/ You might also be interested in https://dnscrypt.eu .
They mangle all udp port 53 data.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
The elections are tomorrow and it's prohibited by law to broadcast political rallies on the last day. The pro-government TV channels are broadcasting Erdogan's rallies while other TV channels respect the law(and they are afraid of disproportional penalties if they do the same). So today only Erdogan is on national TV.
So every voter in Turkey essentially knows what Erdogan is doing. So nobody who understands democracy should vote for Erdogan. If however not enough people understand democracy ...
There are lots of voters believe in Erdogan because he said he's clean. It's all about uneducated public being manipulated through religion and patriotism. He talks about Islam and national flag. He's reading national anthem's lyrics in ads on TV.