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Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by ryannevius »

pjungwir wrote: post #147
negativity wrote: post #137

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Ubuntu's user interface upgrades as of 11.10 (the "unity" interface) sucked so bad that I refuse to use Ubuntu beyond verision 10.04 on desktops/laptops. 11.10 was when I switched over to Mint and never looked back, and it seems that doing so was a wise move, given the Amazon adware/spamware/spyware that Canonical saw fit to include in more recent versions. http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1182 Even though Mi…

Is there any reason you didn't switch to Xubuntu? That's what I did, and it was a very easy adjustment. No Unity, and no (to my knowledge) spyware.

I did this about 6 months ago and haven't regretted it a bit. So far, it has been a really solid Ubuntu variant.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by listic »

teraflop wrote: post #170
listic wrote: post #169

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This is a nice table of most common packages, but does anyone know where I can check the version of any package on a particular version of Ubuntu?

http://packages.ubuntu.com/ You can browse the complete list for every supported release. Or, you can search for a particular package and set the distribution to "any" to see the latest version available in each release.

Great, thanks! Do you by chance know where to look up package information for CentOS?

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by adwf »

flavor8 wrote: post #61
adwf wrote: post #33

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At the risk of starting a flamewar, is Gnome 3/Shell really any better? I've never felt quite so unproductive as when I use Gnome nowadays.

Gnome 3 is actually pretty good (once you install a few extensions from extensions.gnome.org.) Much less cluttered than unity (most of the time you just have a single black bar at the top of the screen) and handles workspaces nicely. I never liked gnome 2, though, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

Yeah, the extensions have really helped. The main problem there is that the extensions keep on falling out of compatibility. I have half a dozen extensions that used to work well and provided critical functionality, now they don't.

No signs of anyone fixing them either, it's been 6 months since my Pidgin extension broke :(

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by adwf »

daivd wrote: post #38
adwf wrote: post #33

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At the risk of starting a flamewar, is Gnome 3/Shell really any better? I've never felt quite so unproductive as when I use Gnome nowadays.

I have never quite understood all these desktop emotions. I run Kubuntu, but almost never interact with any desktop features. What is it in your workflow that requires you to interact with Gnome/Unity? (just curious)

The main thing that springs to mind is that the only way to get a half decent desktop is through extensions. I installed a whole load of useful ones about a year ago, but currently only about 1/5th of them are still working due to gnome version incompatibility.

One of the most noticably broken parts of Gnome Shell for me is that my Pidgin notifications/alerts seem to be broken. They neither flash the item in the taskbar, nor give me a popup to let me know that a new message has arrived. I had an extension to fix this, but that has since broken upon Gnome version change. There is a messenger integration into the user account menu in the top right, but there is no way of changing the client from the default to Pidgin.

I only use Gnome on my travel laptop, so I get little snapshot peeks at how it's going. I've had these problems I've mentioned for quite a while now (and many more besides), it only seems to be getting worse. The Gnome devs seem to be completely ignoring the community and charging off down their own path of weird unusability.

For my main desktop I just run AwesomeWM, which is almost completely pain-free and gets the hell out of my way.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by csense »

zanny wrote: post #93
retube wrote: post #64

Things I would like: 1) drop the ridiculous Unity desktop. maybe I am old and out of touch, but that was horrific . 2) Dual boot just works with UEFI/Windows 8.1 3) Supports audio and graphics hardware in common brands like Acer I have 9 installed on a samsung since 2009 and it's been an absolute pleasure, just worked. Trying to get 12 or 13 onto a modern Acer however... was a nightmare. V disappointing. I still don'…

1) There are another 4 recongized Ubuntu spins for KDE, Gnome, LXDE, and XFCE, plus all the derivatives with other desktops like Cinnamon, Elementary, Enlightenment, and Zorin. You are not limited to Ubuntu Unity, and unlike any other OS you do have options. 2) I haven't had that much experience with Windows 8, but for many systems the UEFI implementation by the vendor is so bad that it will only boot singular binari…

> if hardware vendors won't produce Linux drivers nobody can force them.

Not true. The market can vote with their wallets. If you're buying a computer, try to look for models that have good Linux support.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by csense »

I hope they fix the part where Unity is crashy, slow, and has a really sucky user interface.

I mean, seriously, Unity is a piece of garbage. You have to look up some magical key combination to do something as simple as launching multiple instances of an application. It's as bad as the Mac [1] -- designed to cater to users who aren't smart enough to understand the concept of "multiple instances of an application."

In order to launch something, you have to search for it -- WTF? I don't want to search for my application, I know what application I want to run! Let me run it dammit!

That whole "no menu you can browse and discover what's installed on your system" is a huge barrier, especially to new users to the Linux ecosystem, because how are you supposed to know the default email client is called Evolution, or your spreadsheet is "LibreOffice Calc"? If there's a comprehensive, categorized menu of all installed applications, you can look through it to, you know, browse what's on your system.

Unity is supposed to be good for noobs. I probably have way more understanding of computer fundamentals than anyone who fits in the "noob" category so I probably have a better chance of figuring out what the UI's trying to do, I probably have way more tolerance for crappy, clunky UI's than most noobs [2], and every time I've tried Unity I've usually uninstalled it within a day. If Unity sucks too much for me to handle, the only noobs I can see sticking with it are those who've never used a computer before and have no idea that it's possible to do better.

[1] Sorry if this isn't up to date. I don't use Macs much; the last time I used a Mac was sometime around 2004.

[2] I played a lot of DOS games in the 1990's. Enough said.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by downer75 »

leaveyou wrote: post #77
skriticos2 wrote: post #53

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I'm running 12.04 with I7 Ivy Bridge HD4000 too and have no performance issues. Maybe it's op's hard drive? I'm running the system on an SSD and it's a night and day difference to the rotating equivalents.

8gigs of RAM :) ? in my experience not a single byte over 4GB RAM matters in linux desktop. I have (Ubuntu 13.10 on an old sonny vaio core 2 duo) 4GB and with all the workspace open and a virtual box with 1.5GB RAM allocated to it, i didn't reach 3GB (it stays around 2.7-2.8GB).

Are you using a 64bit version?

It sounds like you might be using a 32 bit version, which will not utilize more than 4GB of RAM. 64 bit versions have the ability to address memory beyond the 4GB limit of 32 bit systems.

With 32 bit versions of Linux the kernel is mapped into the upper 1GB of address space, and then whatever is left over from the remaining 4GB is exposed for general purpose use, and made visible to the user. The means that by default, even if you have 4GB of RAM, you'll never actually see anything more than 3GB exposed for your use, because the kernel has already reserved 1GB of RAM for itself. (these ratios change proportionately, when less than 4GB of RAM is present)

It's also possible that your system is hitting the 3GB mark and then paging virtual memory to your swap partition.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by kleiba »

keithpeter wrote: post #177

Desktop oriented end user here: Does anyone else use the mnemonic shortcuts, e.g. ALT-F-A for Save As... and in LibreOffice Alt-I-O-F to pop a mathematical formula into a document? Broken completely in 13.04 and 13.10 and somewhat broken in 14.04 (Alt-F opens File menu but any attempt at a second note in the chord opens a different top level menu). Otherwise sensible changes, menus on window bars makes sense on large…

Not exactly, but ALT+F is M-f in Emacs which is by default bound to forward-word, i.e., lets you jump over a word. When you run Emacs inside a terminal window, I find it quite annoying that the Menu bar gets activated when you use that shortcut.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by JeremyMorgan »

negativity wrote: post #146
JeremyMorgan wrote: post #143

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I too was pushed to mint after 11.10 but I'm sick of Mint now too. Not only do upgrades break it frequently, but I find small 'glitches' that end up taking up too much time tracking down. Stuff like Wifi dropping, and icons in my taskbar dissapearing, random browser crashes etc. What I did was decide to sit down and do an Arch install. Yes it takes time, and yes you have to know what you're doing. But I invested the…

Honestly though, the only thing that attracts me to Linux in the first place is digging into the source and pulling apart the pieces and putting them back together again, so that I can understand the tools I use more intimately. To me, distribution projects like Debian, Arch & Gentoo serve as a useful source for complete repositories of working, interoperable packages, moreso than they serve as a convenient provider…

I'm with you 100%. Often times I do use Linux as a dumb platform to do work like I would Windows or OSX, but occasionally I love tearing into it and messing with it, which is priceless in my book.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by _hnwo »

hnriot wrote: post #181
ghotli wrote: post #110

Most of the articles and chatter I can find talks about the changes in 14.04 from a desktop perspective. I only run ubuntu on servers and vms. Does anyone know where I can find a good changelog as to what's changed between 12.04 LTS server and 14.04 LTS server?

most of the reasons for running ubuntu are dekstop oriented. Centos is probably a better bet for servers.

What? There is almost no evidence that your comment is in any way true.

Ubuntu has great Long Term Support - which is exactly what this is about and the apt package management is far superior to Yum (IMO at least) - Plenty of high profile companies use Ubuntu for servers.

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