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Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO
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Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO
#22Have they already appointed replacements? The Mozilla page listing the board members doesn't list any of these three people as board members, and instead lists these 6 people as comprising the board: Mitchell Baker, Brian Behlendorf, Brendan Eich, Joi Ito, Bob Lisbonne, Cathy Davidson (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/about/).
Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO
#23Off-topic, but that's a weird statement from the WSJ:
"Firefox is the world’s second-most-popular Web browser on personal computers, with 18% market share, according to Net Applications, a web-analytics consulting firm. That trails Microsoft’s Internet Explorer, with 58% share, and just ahead of Google’s Chrome, with 17% share."
Here's what I found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers:
Chrome IE Firefox Safari
StatCounter 46.60% 24.64% 20.37% 5.06%
W3Counter 34.1% 20.3% 18.3% 17.8%
Wikimedia 42.69% 18.02% 15.28% 6.06%
And the interesting browser growth today, of course, is all mobile. (So those outgoing board members were right in several ways.)
Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO
#24Locked out of iOS. Under heavly competition on Android. Put the metro port on the back burner. Increasingly fighting to stay on feature parity with Chrome on the desktop. FirefoxOS still to make an impact. I love Firefox. I'm just worried for it. With the world going mobile, I wonder if there's space for Firefox. It would be such a shame not to see it around 5 years from now. I wonder if it makes sense for a small or…
> Locked out of iOS.
So is Chrome, at least in the sense the iOS Chrome is slow as hell because Safari gets special privilege. But that is the case with all iOS software - you are beholden to Apple. I wouldn't consider success or failure there something you can control at all.
> Under heavly competition on Android.
True, but mobile FF has the best UI out of all of them, I think.
> Put the metro port on the back burner.
Because nobody used it. At all. It is senseless to make and maintain a product nobody will use. All this says is that Metro is systemically panned.
> Increasingly fighting to stay on feature parity with Chrome on the desktop.
Unless you mean things like MSE, I don't see where FF comes up short. Since version ~8 their engine has been on par or faster than Chrome and they support emerging web standards like RTC overnight.
> FirefoxOS still to make an impact.
It isn't targeting the first world, it will never make an impact here - it is a sound decision, it would be impossible to take Android on directly, and they really don't have to, since FF on Android has their marketplace. It is getting sizable deployment contracts in India and such, so I'd call that a success.
> I wonder if there's space for Firefox.
Of course. It is the only major web player pushing openness without an agenda (like Google).
> It would be such a shame not to see it around 5 years from now.
Even if Mozilla the company were a shell of its former self, I imagine the community would pick up a lot of the slack to keep Firefox at least usable, if not bleeding edge, like with how Thunderbird is doing.
> I wonder if it makes sense for a small organization to spend so much time and money on a custom rendering engine. Is it such a horrible idea to fork and contribute to blink? Just thinking out loud. Mostly out of despair.
Does it make sense to have half a dozen python interpreters? Or 3+ binary cross platform compilers? How about how many GUI toolkits are out there, from Wxwidgets and EFL to more popular cross platform ones like Qt or Mono.
And they are developing Servo as the solution to Gecko being really old at this point. And Rust is an amazing language, and I'd definitely look to develop in it as soon as it hits a 1.0 (probably when Servo is ready).
Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO
#25This seems unusual. Isn't the board responsible for appointing the CEO, to begin with? How can it be that half the board resigns after their own CEO appointment? Even if the appointment were simply a majority of the board, that in and of itself raises bizarre questions. Why is a CEO appointed only on a 3-3 (or 4-2) vote? Usually you would want unanimity in important things like this. This certainly opens up a lot of…
Mozilla bylaws doesn't seem to state the the mechanics of officer appointment- just that they do it? https://static.mozilla.com/foundation/documents/mf-bylaws.pd...
The bylaws of the Corporation are more relevant: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/legal/bylaws.html
Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO
#26Have they already appointed replacements? The Mozilla page listing the board members doesn't list any of these three people as board members, and instead lists these 6 people as comprising the board: Mitchell Baker, Brian Behlendorf, Brendan Eich, Joi Ito, Bob Lisbonne, Cathy Davidson ( https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/about/ ).
That's the Foundation. The three current Corporation board members are listed here: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/moco/
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is it such a horrible idea to fork and contribute to blink? Just thinking out loud A fairly bad one, yes. There would be virtually no benefit to doing this, and a serious detriment to web browser diversity (which would likely be a detriment to the health of the web as a developing ecosystem). > It would be such a shame not to see it around 5 years from now They still have plenty of revenue, and the amount still kee…
Microsoft isn't a fair comparison. They have other, multi-billion dollar cash cows to rely on. I don't think they're unfounded. Nearly every developer I know uses chrome, and chrome dev tools. This wasn't always the case. Market share can be a lagging indicator, i think it's a little short sighted to suggest they're okay. They're not! Forking isn't a sin. Diversity often a result of forking. Take a look at this graph…
> Forking isn't a sin. Diversity often a result of forking. Take a look at this graphic[1]. There's a good chance the browser you're currently using is a result of a fork.
Sorry, I think there's absolutely no way to spin the idea that abandoning Gecko for Blink would increase diversity. It's self-evidently false.
Forks lead to more rendering engine diversity than straight-up reskins, I suppose, but much less diversity than actual from-scratch engines. (Incidentally, since Blink is explicitly not designed to be embeddable, "adopting Blink" essentially means becoming a Chrome skin.)
Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is it such a horrible idea to fork and contribute to blink? Just thinking out loud A fairly bad one, yes. There would be virtually no benefit to doing this, and a serious detriment to web browser diversity (which would likely be a detriment to the health of the web as a developing ecosystem). > It would be such a shame not to see it around 5 years from now They still have plenty of revenue, and the amount still kee…
Microsoft isn't a fair comparison. They have other, multi-billion dollar cash cows to rely on. I don't think they're unfounded. Nearly every developer I know uses chrome, and chrome dev tools. This wasn't always the case. Market share can be a lagging indicator, i think it's a little short sighted to suggest they're okay. They're not! Forking isn't a sin. Diversity often a result of forking. Take a look at this graph…
Firefox has equal share with Chrome and most of the techies I know still use Firefox. Not having every private test URL of stuff you're working on sent to Google is reason enough. I do have several dev friends that use Chrome. They're usually mobile devs unconcerned with privacy (they have everything in Google).
Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO
#29Have they already appointed replacements? The Mozilla page listing the board members doesn't list any of these three people as board members, and instead lists these 6 people as comprising the board: Mitchell Baker, Brian Behlendorf, Brendan Eich, Joi Ito, Bob Lisbonne, Cathy Davidson ( https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/about/ ).
That's the Foundation. The three current Corporation board members are listed here: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/moco/
Ah ok, that makes sense. The article was a bit confusing because it keeps talking about the Mozilla board, which in an unqualified sense to me implies the top-level board controlling the entire Mozilla organization. Whereas they seem to mean the board in charge of its main revenue-producing subsidiary... which is important, but not the board ultimately in charge. I realize "not ultimately in charge" doesn't necessarily mean "doesn't exercise practical power", but the real top-level Mozilla board could ultimately choose to replace them if it were sufficiently unhappy with the state of things, so I don't see this board as The Mozilla Board, in the sense of the people who are responsible for stewarding my donations and ensuring that the charitable mission is met.
Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO
#30Off-topic, but that's a weird statement from the WSJ: "Firefox is the world’s second-most-popular Web browser on personal computers, with 18% market share, according to Net Applications, a web-analytics consulting firm. That trails Microsoft’s Internet Explorer, with 58% share, and just ahead of Google’s Chrome, with 17% share." Here's what I found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers : Chrome…
I don't know why but I saw almost in each famous information site ever using only Net Applications to evaluate the market share of browser. Does it have some sort of better precision rate over the others? It seems strange