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Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by hnriot »

ghotli wrote: post #110

Most of the articles and chatter I can find talks about the changes in 14.04 from a desktop perspective. I only run ubuntu on servers and vms. Does anyone know where I can find a good changelog as to what's changed between 12.04 LTS server and 14.04 LTS server?

most of the reasons for running ubuntu are dekstop oriented. Centos is probably a better bet for servers.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by yeukhon »

scanr wrote: post #46

I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

Takes a year for me on average to roll all production to a new LTS. This includes giving package authors to release good package for the new LTS and testing.

Moving to new LTS right away is often a suicide mission.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by haakon »

hnriot wrote: post #181
ghotli wrote: post #110

Most of the articles and chatter I can find talks about the changes in 14.04 from a desktop perspective. I only run ubuntu on servers and vms. Does anyone know where I can find a good changelog as to what's changed between 12.04 LTS server and 14.04 LTS server?

most of the reasons for running ubuntu are dekstop oriented. Centos is probably a better bet for servers.

Ubuntu Server is quite nice, and for someone who uses (K)Ubuntu on the desktop it's nice to have an apt-based system on the server.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by beagle3 »

scanr wrote: post #46

I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

You have to follow the bug reports if you rely on stuff, e.g. this bug in 12.04 (which was not in 10.04) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/669481 has no released fix two years later - if you need your servers to consistently reboot after a power down without human intervention, you need to apply the fix manually (just inserting a line in a config file, but still ...). I know it says "fix released" - but after having to drive to reboot servers, I can assure you that is not the case.

Personally, I'd wait at least 3 months, and follow bug reports before switching.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by cies »

hnriot wrote: post #181
ghotli wrote: post #110

Most of the articles and chatter I can find talks about the changes in 14.04 from a desktop perspective. I only run ubuntu on servers and vms. Does anyone know where I can find a good changelog as to what's changed between 12.04 LTS server and 14.04 LTS server?

most of the reasons for running ubuntu are dekstop oriented. Centos is probably a better bet for servers.

I will not voluntarily use "yum" on a server in a million years.

Debian has always been my favorite, and currently we use Ubuntu on servers as the OS-packages-as-shipped are more up-to-date; which turns out to be quite important in web-dev-land.

Frankly I dont know what CentOS/Redhat does better then Ubuntu nowadays, apart from selling enterprise stuff like JBoss :)

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by cies »

Any other netrunner-os lovers here? Its an Ubuntu derivate with KDE by default, but with much more sane defaults and loads of goodness preinstalled (ad-blockers, YT-downloaders, Steam, codecs, etc.)

I love it! (but it's released several months after Ubuntu is released)

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by jgillich »

cies wrote: post #185
hnriot wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

most of the reasons for running ubuntu are dekstop oriented. Centos is probably a better bet for servers.

I will not voluntarily use "yum" on a server in a million years. Debian has always been my favorite, and currently we use Ubuntu on servers as the OS-packages-as-shipped are more up-to-date; which turns out to be quite important in web-dev-land. Frankly I dont know what CentOS/Redhat does better then Ubuntu nowadays, apart from selling enterprise stuff like JBoss :)

What's wrong with yum? I never had any issues with it on Fedora and CentOS and actually prefer it over apt* (mainly due to it's speed).

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by ausjke »

thinkmassive wrote: post #171
ausjke wrote: post #105

I already moved all my servers to Debian, have not decided when I should do the same on the Desktop side yet, I don't really care about games/MIR/smart-UI-decision-made-for-me/one-GUI-does-all-screens etc, all I need is vim and a browser, with newer tested packages installed underneath for development.

I was using Arch as my laptop OS for a couple years until just recently switching to Ubuntu Server 14.04. Since I use i3 it still seems like the same environment. The reason I switched is because I'm developing solely on Ubuntu Server 12.04, and it's less work to get things working once instead of twice. Is there any advantage to using Debian over Ubuntu for servers and/or development?

I feel Ubuntu is moving towards more to the mobile arena which _could_ impact the desktop/server quality especially for the long run. It could also be fighting a battle that is too big with its limited resource(i.e. stretched too thin). I switched to Debian as a precaution.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by jcastro »

ghotli wrote: post #110

Most of the articles and chatter I can find talks about the changes in 14.04 from a desktop perspective. I only run ubuntu on servers and vms. Does anyone know where I can find a good changelog as to what's changed between 12.04 LTS server and 14.04 LTS server?

Hi, thanks for using Ubuntu Server! I don't have time to answer fully so I'm sorry this response is not so detailed, but here's the general updates:

- OpenStack Icehouse - the latest version of OpenStack

- Ceph .78 - Emperor!

- Juju is ready now for production usage, with some goodies here:

- New bundles with quickstart, allowing you to deploy entire workloads in one command. So for example you can do `juju quickstart bundle:mongodb/cluster`, toss in your cloud details, and get a 13 node cluster up and running in about 10 minutes. We also have an entire starter Hadoop Cluster and out of the box deployments for Rails and Django (With node.js on the way).

- Manual provider for Juju, allowing you to deploy what are usually cloud workloads onto any machine with Ubuntu and ssh ... so ... all those fancy deploy commands can fire off to Digital Ocean, Linode, or whatever you have laying around.

- New cloud providers - we now publish regular cloud images in AWS, Azure, HP Cloud, and new this cycle is Joyent.

- Newer MAAS (I don't have the changelog handy)

- Vagrant images - We now publish regular vagrant boxes as part of our release process. We also have a Vagrant box that includes Juju with an LXC provider so you can run a simulated deployment of your servers on your Mac/Windows machines.

- LXC 1.0 for container using folks.

- Speaking of containers, a pretty up to date Docker version this is some work that Paul Tagliamonte is doing in Debian and Ubuntu.

- nginx in main, thanks to the hard work of Thomas Ward. He's maintaining a pretty useful PPA backporting nginx packages for older releases.

- The usual goodies, so version bumps in the kernel, kvm, libvirt, puppet,

If I missed an area let me know!

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