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Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by uhno »

negativity wrote: post #137
scanr wrote: post #46

I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

Ubuntu's user interface upgrades as of 11.10 (the "unity" interface) sucked so bad that I refuse to use Ubuntu beyond verision 10.04 on desktops/laptops. 11.10 was when I switched over to Mint and never looked back, and it seems that doing so was a wise move, given the Amazon adware/spamware/spyware that Canonical saw fit to include in more recent versions. http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1182 Even though Mi…

Regarding Unity, it's fairly easy to revert to the "classic" Gnome desktop, which is a good enough approximation of the old behavior for me. See, for example: http://askubuntu.com/questions/58172/how-to-revert-to-gnome-...

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by negativity »

mavhc wrote: post #140
negativity wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ubuntu's user interface upgrades as of 11.10 (the "unity" interface) sucked so bad that I refuse to use Ubuntu beyond verision 10.04 on desktops/laptops. 11.10 was when I switched over to Mint and never looked back, and it seems that doing so was a wise move, given the Amazon adware/spamware/spyware that Canonical saw fit to include in more recent versions. http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1182 Even though Mi…

Upgrades break Mint though, it's like you're living in 1980, backup and reinstall? What's the point of using Debian variants if you have to do that?

Because I actually enjoy making my life more complicated, obviously! (it seems like a fun challenge)

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by JeremyMorgan »

negativity wrote: post #137
scanr wrote: post #46

I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

Ubuntu's user interface upgrades as of 11.10 (the "unity" interface) sucked so bad that I refuse to use Ubuntu beyond verision 10.04 on desktops/laptops. 11.10 was when I switched over to Mint and never looked back, and it seems that doing so was a wise move, given the Amazon adware/spamware/spyware that Canonical saw fit to include in more recent versions. http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1182 Even though Mi…

I too was pushed to mint after 11.10 but I'm sick of Mint now too. Not only do upgrades break it frequently, but I find small 'glitches' that end up taking up too much time tracking down. Stuff like Wifi dropping, and icons in my taskbar dissapearing, random browser crashes etc.

What I did was decide to sit down and do an Arch install. Yes it takes time, and yes you have to know what you're doing. But I invested the time up front, and now it runs very reliably, and faster on the same machine.

I say if you want to GSD the best thing to do is set up something like Debian, Arch or Gentoo and invest the time setting it up so you can use it without problems later. I don't know about you but I have better things to do than screw with an OS all time, I have real work to do. These "harder" distros are great for that.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by nisa »

kawsper wrote: post #138
bretthoerner wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn't you build a newer package for 13.04, or try using the trusty package on it? I can't imagine waiting for a new OS release every time I needed a newer package.

It is not really often I need a newer package than what is available, I can only think of Beanstalk because if this issue. I am not really that used to build my own packages, but it is something I want to learn. And I didn't know that I could download from another version, I will look into it, thanks ! :)

    apt-get build-dep beanstalkd
    apt-get source beanstalkd # or in your case, download the newer source-package
    cd ./beanstalkd-1.x.x
    dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc
This should do the trick. There are a lot of variations regarding the last line. Just google for Debian packaging or Ubuntu packaging tutorials. It really works well for minor changes. If you need to deploy it to several machines it's also possible to add a custom flag to the package version...

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by ithinkso »

negativity wrote: post #137
scanr wrote: post #46

I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

Ubuntu's user interface upgrades as of 11.10 (the "unity" interface) sucked so bad that I refuse to use Ubuntu beyond verision 10.04 on desktops/laptops. 11.10 was when I switched over to Mint and never looked back, and it seems that doing so was a wise move, given the Amazon adware/spamware/spyware that Canonical saw fit to include in more recent versions. http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1182 Even though Mi…

Same here, I was using 10.04 LTS till the end of support and then move to Arch, best decision ever.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by negativity »

JeremyMorgan wrote: post #143
negativity wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ubuntu's user interface upgrades as of 11.10 (the "unity" interface) sucked so bad that I refuse to use Ubuntu beyond verision 10.04 on desktops/laptops. 11.10 was when I switched over to Mint and never looked back, and it seems that doing so was a wise move, given the Amazon adware/spamware/spyware that Canonical saw fit to include in more recent versions. http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1182 Even though Mi…

I too was pushed to mint after 11.10 but I'm sick of Mint now too. Not only do upgrades break it frequently, but I find small 'glitches' that end up taking up too much time tracking down. Stuff like Wifi dropping, and icons in my taskbar dissapearing, random browser crashes etc. What I did was decide to sit down and do an Arch install. Yes it takes time, and yes you have to know what you're doing. But I invested the…

Honestly though, the only thing that attracts me to Linux in the first place is digging into the source and pulling apart the pieces and putting them back together again, so that I can understand the tools I use more intimately.

To me, distribution projects like Debian, Arch & Gentoo serve as a useful source for complete repositories of working, interoperable packages, moreso than they serve as a convenient provider of a working operating system.

I tend to chalk up buggy, quirky work-arounds and long waits for bug fixes in Linux as the price I'm willing to pay to be able to see the source, and receive the software for free. Annoying glitches are something I wouldn't tolerate from Apple or Microsoft, if I'm going to shell out for the high price tags placed on their operating systems.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by pjungwir »

negativity wrote: post #137
scanr wrote: post #46

I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

Ubuntu's user interface upgrades as of 11.10 (the "unity" interface) sucked so bad that I refuse to use Ubuntu beyond verision 10.04 on desktops/laptops. 11.10 was when I switched over to Mint and never looked back, and it seems that doing so was a wise move, given the Amazon adware/spamware/spyware that Canonical saw fit to include in more recent versions. http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1182 Even though Mi…

Is there any reason you didn't switch to Xubuntu? That's what I did, and it was a very easy adjustment. No Unity, and no (to my knowledge) spyware.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by luka-birsa »

JanezStupar wrote: post #36
vanderZwan wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno, but as someone on a laptop with an intel HD 4000... who can I thank for this ridiculous increase in performance? Default Ubuntu has gone from laggy to rivalling Lubuntu in responsiveness.

For me Unity stopped working somewhere between 13.04 and 13.10... (Asus UX32VD). I am going to upgrade to 14.04 in a couple of months and see what happens.

Be a man. Upgrade it today. Whats the worst that could happen?

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by smithzvk »

scanr wrote: post #46

I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

I decided to go the LTS route as well. I actually don't know when they will actually release the new version, but I assume it will be before the end of April (do they always hit their target release month?).

I will be upgrading fairly early; probably at the end of April. I have a big deadline in late April and upgrading Ubuntu will be my reward/punishment. I suppose I will listen for any disgruntled users before I make the plunge, however, and reassess if things look too problematic.

Note: this is for a work machine, but a PC, not a server or something like that.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by justizin »

scanr wrote: post #46

I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

since noone actually responded to your question, and assuming you are talking about on servers, i began testing our configs against trusty some time ago. I'm not going to switch right when it's released, but I am eager to move to it. You're going to get lots of things that you may have had to work for in 12.04, like a newer kernel and newer versions of system tools and libraries and your key server software, from OpenSSL to nginx/apache2, python, ruby, libc, etc.. The LTS cycle works, and I encourage you to begin testing as soon as you can, and in the future to test while it's in testing simply because you can - it's not expensive to throw up an instance here or there.
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