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Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Until 14.04.1 I suppose

IIRC it's Canonical's official stand to suggest users to wait for the first point release. I am sure I read this some days ago, from following a link posted here.

Indeed, upgrades aren't prompted for LTS users in Update Manager (Software Updater) until the .1 release hits. Intrepid souls are of course free to upgrade before that.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

#132
post #46

I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

I'm of the "latest is greatest" school. I switch my desktop on release day. Week-month later (depending on issues) I deploy to testing machines. Month-three later (depending on issues, my work load, need for any upgrades) deploy on subset of production. If all is well, then to rest of production shortly thereafter.

OTOH, Long Term Support. You shouldn't have to upgrade for awhile if its a pain for you.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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post #8

Based on your experience is it stable enough to upgrade to already? Previously some final betas were.

some ppas are not updated, so if you rely on them you should wait.

I don't know if you know the answer, but I'm curious:

There's a ppa for arm-gcc that I want to use (https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded) , but so far it's still on Ubuntu 13.04. How is it possible to try to make the ppa work on Ubuntu 14.04? What are the steps involved? Is there some way to find out how the ppa was made for Ubuntu 13.04 and recreate those steps on 14.04?

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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post #74

Is Python3 now the new default Python?

Define "default". Both Python 2 and Python 3 are installed by default (it's a goal to not have Python 2 installed by default, but Python 3 is already there).

If you want /usr/bin/python to be replaced, this is unlikely to ever happen[0], but what difference does that make?

[0] http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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post #75

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Why would you use Ubuntu if you think Unity is ridiculous? That's like getting a Mac and saying that Apple should drop OS X. It's very clear that Unity isn't for everyone, but I don't understand why people who know it's not for them seem to still want to use Ubuntu.

One of the benefits of Linux is it's easy to customize. I like to install Ubuntu and the first thing I do is get rid of Unity. I prefer i3. I still benefit from the vast amount of repositories and the large community Ubuntu has. Unity is not necessary to benefit from Ubuntu, in fact, I think it holds Ubuntu back.

> I like to install Ubuntu and the first thing I do is get rid of Unity.

If you do that, why not start from one of Xubuntu or Lubuntu instead?

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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post #11

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Would that be the same case if I installed a daily build from a week ago?

Yes, but I would either use Software Updater (update manager) or "sudo apt-get update" followed by "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" (not upgrade as suggested above). Just a minor nitpick.

That's only if you guys ship a new kernel in the next couple of weeks, right?

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

#137
post #46

I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

Ubuntu's user interface upgrades as of 11.10 (the "unity" interface) sucked so bad that I refuse to use Ubuntu beyond verision 10.04 on desktops/laptops.

11.10 was when I switched over to Mint and never looked back, and it seems that doing so was a wise move, given the Amazon adware/spamware/spyware that Canonical saw fit to include in more recent versions.

http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1182

Even though Mint includes proprietary binaries (like Flash and Audio/Video codecs), which may or may not contain opaque questionable material, at least the third party non-open-source software is something that (arguably) improves the distribution and actually serves a purpose for me, as the end user.

Mint has changed over time too, though, and now I'm thinking about moving to a personally customized Debian image, and a hobbyist project. Hopefully it won't prove to be too demanding to pull off.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

#138
post #54

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I am currently on 13.04, I can't wait to upgrade to a newer version where this bug in Beanstalkd is fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beanstalkd/+bug/12... I think I will upgrade when it is available on Linode.

Why wouldn't you build a newer package for 13.04, or try using the trusty package on it? I can't imagine waiting for a new OS release every time I needed a newer package.

It is not really often I need a newer package than what is available, I can only think of Beanstalk because if this issue.

I am not really that used to build my own packages, but it is something I want to learn. And I didn't know that I could download from another version, I will look into it, thanks ! :)

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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post #129
post #113

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I am on 13.10 with xmonad but will try to move to 14.04 LTS with Unity. This will happen as soon as I finish my Ansible playbook to get all my current Ubuntu tweaks and dev env setup implemented so I have a repeatable setup and can safely do a fresh install of my desktop as needed with zero manual work. Dotfiles alone didn't cut it and VPS provisioning frameworks like Ansible are great examples how desktops could be…

I've wanted to be able to automate setting up a new Linux desktop on a new laptop for a long time. It's a drag setting up a new box, it takes nearly a month to get everything tweaked right after I switch to a new distro (which is far more often that I should be responsibly doing it). I've been thinking about setting up an Ansible script, I've never used it before though. How would this work on a new machine? Is it so…

Yes, a playbook would run post-OS install. It's either executed locally or anything you can SSH to. If being careful enough one can support multiple OS-s with the same playbook (at least different Linux flavors) but it's definitely quite some maintenance like different package names and conf file locations etc.

A playbook contains tasks like installing, removing packages, editing config files etc. The beauty of it is that if done correctly you can run the same playbook over and over again against the same computer and each task can be smart enough to know if it needs to be run or not. This makes updating your computer with the same or updated playbook very fast.

With Ubuntu it's easy to get to the post-OS install, it's more involved with Arch Linux. I would first create an Arch box with Vagrant using Virtualbox. And then create a playbook that works with that virtual Arch box. If the box and ansible playbook is good enough then https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Moving_an_existing_inst...

At least in theory, I haven't moved Arch between VM and a real host myself... Of course you can also just do a manual Arch install and then run the playbook but that would miss half the fun of doing less by doing more.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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post #46

I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

Ubuntu's user interface upgrades as of 11.10 (the "unity" interface) sucked so bad that I refuse to use Ubuntu beyond verision 10.04 on desktops/laptops. 11.10 was when I switched over to Mint and never looked back, and it seems that doing so was a wise move, given the Amazon adware/spamware/spyware that Canonical saw fit to include in more recent versions. http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1182 Even though Mi…

Upgrades break Mint though, it's like you're living in 1980, backup and reinstall? What's the point of using Debian variants if you have to do that?
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