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Is it OK to Hire People from Your Friend’s Company? (2011)

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#31
This is so sad, on so many different levels that is hard to pretend is not true.

While my hearth fights the need of shouting "stop behaving like a whiny bitch about the company relationships", then you realize that companies in US are equal to peoples.

And that, as John Stewart was pointing out recently, maybe sometimes they also pretends to have religious rights.

So I am not surprised that something like hires get taken as betrayals.

However, if logic had to enter this equation somehow, we should realize the purpose of a business is business. So, if an employee is an asset you should treat him as such, and let him go.

And if you or your friend CEO get emotionally attached to an employee, you have larger issues. One, maybe, is a narcissistic disorder.

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#32
Its interesting to see comments that require the founder to gain some level of permission from the friend before hiring their employee. Then in a simultaneous thread Steve Jobs, Google and Intel are all complete scumbags for talking to each other about hiring.

Re: Is it OK to Hire People from Your Friend’s Company? (2011)

#33
post #8

The similarities between this post and the actions that Google and Apple took and are now being investigated for are striking. At a small scale, it's just "good business" not to poach. At a large scale it's "evil" and illegal. Seems rather arbitrary to me.

It's not arbitrary at all. At a small scale, the activity has little impact on the market for labor. At the large scale, it has a very substantial impact.

Re: Is it OK to Hire People from Your Friend’s Company? (2011)

#34
This article was written just a few months after the Justice Department in late 2010 announced its agreement with Adobe, Apple, Google, Intel, Intuit and Pixar regarding their anticompetitive practices. It is clearly a reaction to that agreement and its purpose is to lay out an argument that can be used to maintain plausible deniability regarding anticompetitive agreements by arguing that these activities are just friends being polite and displaying good manners, rather than a conspiracy to defraud top talent of market wages.

Re: Is it OK to Hire People from Your Friend’s Company? (2011)

#35
> many companies employ written or unwritten policies that name companies where it is not OK to hire without CEO (or senior executive) approval.

This seems counterproductive. Executives should recuse themselves when emotionally compromised. A bona fide independent decision should calm a rational friend.

Business relationships are more complicated. An employee of your largest customer, for example. Good protocol works most of the time. Commercial reason and the law fill the gaps.

Re: Is it OK to Hire People from Your Friend’s Company? (2011)

#36
post #8

The similarities between this post and the actions that Google and Apple took and are now being investigated for are striking. At a small scale, it's just "good business" not to poach. At a large scale it's "evil" and illegal. Seems rather arbitrary to me.

It's "good business" in that you maintain higher profit levels.

It's "evil" in the sense that you are deliberately and dishonestly screwing employees in the worst possible way. It's exploitation.

The very reason this is illegal is because it's quite obviously morally and ethically wrong, but people are motivated to do it anyway.

The only difference is that on a small scale, you might not be caught, or you might be able to bluster your way out of the consequences.

Re: Is it OK to Hire People from Your Friend’s Company? (2011)

#37
This seems to be a little bit of golden rule, right? How would you feel if someone hired away one of your best employers? What if it was a close friend that was doing the hiring? Or an important business partner? Would it suffice to say, "They were looking anyway?" Would it make a difference if it was a customer? Does it matter to the morality if the other party will feel aggrieved?

My 2 cents is this isn't that black and white, but it's very delicate. The only way it works is if the employee in question approaches their current boss first, saying, "Here is why I think it's time to move one. I would like to approach company Y. Can I have your blessing?" This gives their boss a chance to either fix the situation, or encourage the move. You can give a wink and nod that the interview would go well (you would never do this without confidence based on work experience that you'd hire them) but you can't formally start the process before this happens.

Re: Is it OK to Hire People from Your Friend’s Company? (2011)

#38

This seems to be a little bit of golden rule, right? How would you feel if someone hired away one of your best employers? What if it was a close friend that was doing the hiring? Or an important business partner? Would it suffice to say, "They were looking anyway?" Would it make a difference if it was a customer? Does it matter to the morality if the other party will feel aggrieved? My 2 cents is this isn't that blac…

If the other company values their time more than you do, and makes a more attractive offer, then that's your problem. There is a fairly obvious fix.

Now expecting your friend who owns the company to still be friends afterwards is a completely different question.

Re: Is it OK to Hire People from Your Friend’s Company? (2011)

#39

Such a terrible article. Just ask your friend. In 99% of cases, it's okay to ask. I mean if the guy or the girl want to leave, your friend is gonna to tell everything you need to know, what matters. And maybe, you aren't gonna to hire him because he is actually terrible or maybe your friend will just say he is fantastic and give you a green light. > It is important to note that just about all of these kinds of polici…

The 'right-to-work' doublespeak wins again. Horowitz is right (I think) that this behavior may violate California labor laws but he used the wrong term. The article you linked to explains what I mean but the gist is that right-to-work laws are laws that restrict union organizing in various ways.

Edit: It's not actually very relevant to this discussion but to the extent that it is, the fact that California does NOT have such a law means that workers have more rights than states that do.

Re: Is it OK to Hire People from Your Friend’s Company? (2011)

#40
Is it OK to sell for cheaper than a friend? Is it OK to use a vendor who won't give your friend the price that he wants? Ultimately, is it OK to compete with a friend?

Maybe they should just rename anti-trust law into anti-friend law, the bitter killjoys.

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