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Re: How Much Will the Post Office Put Up With?

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Post by sachinag »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #30
sachinag wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The USPS operates under an insane number of constraints that private competitors don't. They have to serve every single residental address in America, no matter how remote (UPS, and especially FedEx, laugh at this); they have to have outposts in bumblefuck nowhere; they have to offer six days of service even though volumes don't support it; fixed rate pricing for First Class letters even from/to the most remote desti…

The postal service is permitted , not mandated, by the constitution. "The Congress shall have power to...[long list] To establish post offices and post roads..."

The Congress shall also have the power to set up the court system (aside from SCOTUS). It is well established that this construct in the Constitution obligates Congress to do these things.

Re: How Much Will the Post Office Put Up With?

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Post by ars »

wglb wrote: post #14

It has been fashionable to trash the post office (USPS) but growing up in a rural route area, I occasionally did a test by sending a letter to the grandparents with just the last name, the city name and the zip. Always got there. I probably could have just put the name, county and zip.

You can put just the zip and the P.O. box number and it'll get there.

Re: How Much Will the Post Office Put Up With?

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Post by jodrellblank »

davidw wrote: post #11
inaka wrote: post #10

Moving to Argentina has given me a newfound respect for the USPS - their reliability, sense of duty, and their humanity. In many ways they are a representative slice of America - flawed but generally reliable, hard working, and flexible. Losing things in the mail, spending hours waiting in line to pick up a package, christmas presents delayed for three months for no apparent reason, all of these experiences down here…

In Italy, you can't sent a package without tying a & & (* string around it.

Your comment triggered previously unsuspected knowledge of cartoon swearing, making me suspicious that your censoring is both too short and containing two ampersands next to each other, which just isn't on (apparently - who am I to argue with my subconscious?).

On a closer look, one of your ampersands appears to be italicised, suggesting your original typing was two characters longer and more even, which would make it look more typical.

HN's markup doesn't seem to have been designed with cryptoswearing in mind.

Re: How Much Will the Post Office Put Up With?

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Post by codyrobbins »

nostrademons wrote: post #25
wglb wrote: post #14

It has been fashionable to trash the post office (USPS) but growing up in a rural route area, I occasionally did a test by sending a letter to the grandparents with just the last name, the city name and the zip. Always got there. I probably could have just put the name, county and zip.

I've heard that someone once addressed a letter to: HILL JOHN MASS And it got there. See if you can figure out the intended recipient - it took me a good half hour. Spoilers at http://www.randomhouse.com/features/billbryson/bb_title/disp...

I once mailed a postcard from Honolulu addressed only to

  Michaelangelo McKasty
  Albany, New York
and it never arrived. I find it highly unlikely there is more than one Michaelangelo McKasty in Albany. I assume the USPS clerks in Albany are somewhat more disenchanted with their jobs than the ones in Andover, and just threw the postcard away.

Re: How Much Will the Post Office Put Up With?

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Post by [deleted] »

solutionyogi wrote: post #24
mrtron wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I loved the daily show bit about how the government can't efficiently run health care - he mentioned how the USPS can deliver a letter across the country in a few days for a few cents. It really is an impressively efficient distributed system considering the hassles involved, specifically the diversity of items as listed in this article!

I hope you realize that it doesn't really cost few cents. The taxes paid by us keeps USPS running. FYI: USPS lost 2.8 billion dollars in 2008.

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Re: How Much Will the Post Office Put Up With?

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Post by muhfuhkuh »

solutionyogi wrote: post #24
mrtron wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I loved the daily show bit about how the government can't efficiently run health care - he mentioned how the USPS can deliver a letter across the country in a few days for a few cents. It really is an impressively efficient distributed system considering the hassles involved, specifically the diversity of items as listed in this article!

I hope you realize that it doesn't really cost few cents. The taxes paid by us keeps USPS running. FYI: USPS lost 2.8 billion dollars in 2008.

Yeah, but only recently. Up until about the mid 00s, they've been running a healthy profit of about a billion a year. But, since it's supposed to be run revenue neutral (i.e., no profit) it gets absorbed back into the general fed budget.

Now that it's losing money, they have to cut back. No federal bailouts for a semi-federated body. Funny how that works.

Re: How Much Will the Post Office Put Up With?

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Post by Semiapies »

sachinag wrote: post #26
solutionyogi wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you realize that it doesn't really cost few cents. The taxes paid by us keeps USPS running. FYI: USPS lost 2.8 billion dollars in 2008.

The USPS operates under an insane number of constraints that private competitors don't. They have to serve every single residental address in America, no matter how remote (UPS, and especially FedEx, laugh at this); they have to have outposts in bumblefuck nowhere; they have to offer six days of service even though volumes don't support it; fixed rate pricing for First Class letters even from/to the most remote desti…

"The USPS operates under an insane number of constraints that private competitors don't"

And private companies are restricted by laws that grant, among other things, a First Class letter monopoly to the USPS. Let Fedex, UPS, and other delivery companies legally offer this service, and we can talk about how the USPS does a great job delivering bulk junk mail to every mailbox in America.

Re: How Much Will the Post Office Put Up With?

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Post by psadauskas »

ars wrote: post #32
wglb wrote: post #14

It has been fashionable to trash the post office (USPS) but growing up in a rural route area, I occasionally did a test by sending a letter to the grandparents with just the last name, the city name and the zip. Always got there. I probably could have just put the name, county and zip.

You can put just the zip and the P.O. box number and it'll get there.

The zip+4 uniquely identifies every address in the US. We're probably nearing a billion addresses, though, I wonder what happens after that?

Re: How Much Will the Post Office Put Up With?

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Post by solutionyogi »

sachinag wrote: post #26
solutionyogi wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you realize that it doesn't really cost few cents. The taxes paid by us keeps USPS running. FYI: USPS lost 2.8 billion dollars in 2008.

The USPS operates under an insane number of constraints that private competitors don't. They have to serve every single residental address in America, no matter how remote (UPS, and especially FedEx, laugh at this); they have to have outposts in bumblefuck nowhere; they have to offer six days of service even though volumes don't support it; fixed rate pricing for First Class letters even from/to the most remote desti…

In my original comment, I was not arguing about the reasons why USPS doesn't make money. The author suggested that USPS is cheap and that is incorrect because USPS 'feels' cheap only because government takes care of the losses. BTW, correction for my previous post, USPS lost 7 billion dollars in 2008. Link: http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/gao-postal-service-in-fi...

Coming back to your argument about the constraints USPS has to deal with. If you really think that USPS is losing money because they have to serve every single residential address in America, you are not being honest. By law, USPS has the monopoly to deliver first class mail, UPS/FedEx are not allowed to deliver them. If you really open up the market and let UPS/FedEx compete in the market, I am sure they will deliver better service for even cheaper prices. Link: http://www.jhhuebert.addr.com/articles/stamp.html

Yes, you may not be able to send a mail from NYC to SFO for 45 cents but it was wrong for cross country mail to be so cheap in the first place. I hardly use USPS but I have to pay my taxes every year and in turn I am subsidizing folks who are trying to send cross country mail for 45 cents. A private competitor will make sure that you pay the appropriate amount for your mail. It will be super cheap (may be even less than 45 cents) if the sender and receiver are in the same state! (And yes, UPS/FedEx will deliver to any address in America but you better pony up the cash if you are sending mail to middle of nowhere in Alabama.) Bottom line: price should reflect the cost, not pass it over to the taxpayers.

Also, did you know that USPS pays no taxes? No fuel taxes, no sales taxes, no property taxes, no corporate taxes, etc. Imagine what FEDEX and UPS could offer consumers in pricing & service if they were tax exempt like the USPS. Did you know that USPS makes most of its money from all the junk mail it delivers? There was a legislation on 'Do not Mail' registry (very similar to 'Do not Call' registry) and USPS is opposing it as without direct mail USPS will be in even bigger hole. So all those junk mails are essentially subsidizing your postal cost.

The other day I was in post office and there was a guy who was 2 years short of the retirement and he was making 50,000$/year. Guess what he did? He sold stamps behind the counter. You can hire people to do his job for 7 to 8 dollars per hour but because of Union/labor laws, he makes 50,000$. How is that for efficiency?

I could go on and on but you get my drift. For more food for thought, read this: http://perfectsubstitute.blogspot.com/2009/08/is-post-office...

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