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Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Why would you use Ubuntu if you think Unity is ridiculous? That's like getting a Mac and saying that Apple should drop OS X. It's very clear that Unity isn't for everyone, but I don't understand why people who know it's not for them seem to still want to use Ubuntu.

True dat. If unity does not appeal, there are *buntu options. IMO, Xubuntu is the way forward.

Xubuntu doesn't have the flashy mass market appeal. For power users its great due to its low footprint, but if I was trying to sell Linux I'd show them Cinnamon or Zorin or KDE, and maybe Gnome, because they all have eye candy and the first three work a lot like Windows (albeit KDE is a lot more powerful than the rest in that regard and would probably scare newbies off).

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Intel, who is putting the effort into open source drivers and Mesa developers, I think. I think the increase in desktop graphics performance has to do with the updates in Mesa 3D Graphics Library. Ubuntu 13.10 has 9.1, while 14.04 has 10.1. Though I would have thought that Intel HD 4000 would provide decent performance even with the old Mesa. I'm on GMA 4500MHD (GM45, ThinkPad X200, circa 2008) and that feels laggy s…

I'm running 12.04 with I7 Ivy Bridge HD4000 too and have no performance issues. Maybe it's op's hard drive? I'm running the system on an SSD and it's a night and day difference to the rotating equivalents.

On my ASUS UX32VD (i7 Ivy Bridge HD4000) on 12.04 transparencies and transitions would lag too much for my taste.

Edit: 10GB RAM and SSD!

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

#93
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Things I would like: 1) drop the ridiculous Unity desktop. maybe I am old and out of touch, but that was horrific . 2) Dual boot just works with UEFI/Windows 8.1 3) Supports audio and graphics hardware in common brands like Acer I have 9 installed on a samsung since 2009 and it's been an absolute pleasure, just worked. Trying to get 12 or 13 onto a modern Acer however... was a nightmare. V disappointing. I still don'…

1) There are another 4 recongized Ubuntu spins for KDE, Gnome, LXDE, and XFCE, plus all the derivatives with other desktops like Cinnamon, Elementary, Enlightenment, and Zorin. You are not limited to Ubuntu Unity, and unlike any other OS you do have options.

2) I haven't had that much experience with Windows 8, but for many systems the UEFI implementation by the vendor is so bad that it will only boot singular binaries in the Windows EFI locations. That means you can never have multiple OSes on that EFI, and there ain't jack any Linux distro can do to change that. Additionally, Windows will wipe all other EFI applications when you install it and it regenerates an EFI partition, as it always has in every version ever, it will never play nice with any other OS.

3) This relates to 2, but if hardware vendors won't produce Linux drivers nobody can force them.

But the important lesson is to not buy a Windows computer and bitch when it isn't a good Linux computer. They are not equivalent, the same hardware is not supported on both OSes (try putting Windows on a RaspPi) and unless you want to have to deal with faulty firmwares and have to stringently analyze every part you buy to make sure its supported hardware (principally because hardware distributors are garbage at mentioning Linux compatibility anywhere) then you should just buy a Linux computer from thinkpenguin, system76, or any of the other actual Linux hardware vendors that will provide you a system that given whatever version of Ubuntu's kernel it is running, and beyond, you know the hardware will work out of the box on any distro. That is how to use Linux.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Awesome, after almost two years of owning my computer the newest feature is that it still crashses on suspend/resume. Use Linux they said, your computer will stop crashing they said... I'm not touching any Nvidia driver until shit starts working. But thanks for update! Appreciated a lot.

Well, a lot of us Linux neckbeards advocate free software, and Nvidia's blob is anything but... I'm having a lot of good results from AMD and Intel on Mesa. The modern AMD GPU lineup is finally almost up to snuff and performing really well, Intels stuff has always been rock solid, so I could never recommend Nvidia to anyone using Linux again, unless you need OGL 4+ functionality.

During my tenure with Ubuntu, Intel itself managed to break my OS twice pretty hard - via regular updates, nothing fancy involved.

Don't get me wrong, I love Linux. I love using it for my professional work. However stability is not the reason.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Just installed it into a VM. No issues, very slick. The UI scaling stuff is a neat addition. Haven't tried the Server edition yet, but I imagine I'll start deploying that in six months or so. Precise Pangolin has been my bread and butter for servers.

But why does it still have a "Floppy Disk" icon in the launcher? This is 2014 right? I feel like that is even more absurd than using a floppy disk icon for save buttons in documents. My desktops and laptops don't even have optical drives anymore, much less floppies.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

#96
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I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

I will probably start deploying new servers to this in about six months, once the community has explored any package quirks.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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At the risk of starting a flamewar, is Gnome 3/Shell really any better? I've never felt quite so unproductive as when I use Gnome nowadays.

For me Gnome (2 especially) always felt more natural and productive to use than Unity. Besides, you could easily customize your Gnome to look and behave exactly like Unity but you can't replicate the same with Unity.

Gnome 2 always annoyed me because on every fresh install I had to spend time moving the two separate task bars to be just one. Vertical real estate is at a premium on all monitors, why would I ever want two bars taking up precious space?

Never made sense to me.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

#98

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I'm running 12.04 with I7 Ivy Bridge HD4000 too and have no performance issues. Maybe it's op's hard drive? I'm running the system on an SSD and it's a night and day difference to the rotating equivalents.

8gigs of RAM :) ? in my experience not a single byte over 4GB RAM matters in linux desktop. I have (Ubuntu 13.10 on an old sonny vaio core 2 duo) 4GB and with all the workspace open and a virtual box with 1.5GB RAM allocated to it, i didn't reach 3GB (it stays around 2.7-2.8GB).

But it opens new options. For instance you can mount /tmp as a tmpfs (in memory) file system and spare some write cycles from an SSD. Also, the system uses it as cache, which is nice.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

#99
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KDE is a sane switch. Completely customizable.

I concur. While I actually like Unity and after during 13.x series Unity stopped working for me I ended up on KDE. Thus far I have been able to costomize it to a level where it beats any other desktop environment I have used so far. Only beef I have with it is inability to set windows key as launcher shortcut. But alt+r works reasonably well.

I have Meta+Space set to Kicker and Alt+Space to KRunner.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

#100
post #64

Things I would like: 1) drop the ridiculous Unity desktop. maybe I am old and out of touch, but that was horrific . 2) Dual boot just works with UEFI/Windows 8.1 3) Supports audio and graphics hardware in common brands like Acer I have 9 installed on a samsung since 2009 and it's been an absolute pleasure, just worked. Trying to get 12 or 13 onto a modern Acer however... was a nightmare. V disappointing. I still don'…

I don't care for Unity either, but I believe that Ubuntu believes (and I agree with) that Unity is what will help them close Bug #1. If the dream of a phone that is also a computer comes true, and that dream forces me to use Unity, I'll learn to cope with it, just like I learned to cope with Gnome once.

He already closed Bug #1 :)

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1

Really though, it's iOS and Android that closed bug #1.

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