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Amazon S3 Pricing Changes Effective April 1, 2014

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Re: Amazon S3 Pricing Changes Effective April 1, 2014

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Renting dedicated servers with lots of disk has typically been vastly cheaper than S3 "forever" on a monthly contract basis, so there are plenty of options before going the route of bare metal in your own rack. But even renting space by the 1U and leasing servers directly adds surprisingly little overhead.

I'm not sure where you get that data, but it doesn't match anything I've found in the 27 dates centers we do business in. Storage, versioning, redundancy, durability and geographic availability. That is the core of S3, not just storage.

The data centres makes little difference in this case. You can fit far more storage than what Everpix used comfortably in a half rack (e.g for density I can buy 5U servers storage servers with up to 48 x 4TB drives). In London, that runs me at most about $1k/month per site. Three sites for $3K/month. 400TB worth of off the shelf storage servers would run us ~$1600/month without even shopping around, in leasing cost per location, for ~$8000/month for triple redundancy on top of raid. Then there's bandwidth.

400TB even at the Reduced Redundancy Storage pricing is ~$20k/month up until the price drop. With the price drop it looks like it'll be more like $9300 with RRS, which is actually getting cheap enough that it's worth it in some cases, to avoid having anyone spend their time on managing anything. The gap will increase again once you factor in request pricing and bandwidth, though, as even my standard price list prices for bandwidth would add up to less than the cheapest published bandwidth tier at Amazon with just a tiny little bit of hassle (BGP setup to multihome each sites with 2-3 different transit providers with different coverage - lowers cost by letting you pick a transit deal that does not give full access to the internet at very low cost coupled with a full price full coverage one)

Or I could spend about $12k/month at Hetzner for the same storage + an aggregate stated "guaranteed" bandwidth of about 2Gbps per location at no extra cost. Again, without shopping around. The moment you do more than about 20-30TB transfer/month, Hetzner becomes cheaper than S3 with that setup, and probably at about 50TB+/month it'd take effort to beat them when buying my own transit too.

Re: Amazon S3 Pricing Changes Effective April 1, 2014

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If S3 storage pricing was the issue for this startup they could always have gone with their own dedicated servers for storage for a fraction of the cost. For that reason, I doubt a lower S3 cost would have prevented them from shutting down.

Not sure how you can compare your own servers to s3 - s3 has redundancy built in that can survive the loss of 2 data centers. I'm pretty sure it would be more expensive to roll your own version of that...

See my comment elsewhere with some numbers. You can beat S3 even with the new pricing in many cases. With the old pricing its trivial.

With replication to 3 data centres.

Re: Amazon S3 Pricing Changes Effective April 1, 2014

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Storage is cheap, but data transfer out is still $0.12/GB, over 10x more expensive than other options.

In my opinion they're doing that on purpose to discourage people from using S3 as both a storage and a transfer method. Storage and Delivery should be considered separate, as there are benefits to it being a separate service. If you throw a CDN between your customers and S3 you'll not only get a significantly lower cost, you'll also give your customers much better performance.

The bandwidth cost from AWS to the internet is the same for EC2 and S3. They aren't discriminating as far as I can see.

Re: Amazon S3 Pricing Changes Effective April 1, 2014

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Dropbox doesn't pay the rates you see on the S3 pricing page. They currently pay lower than $0.03/GB.

I hope we see a price reduction for the 100gb @ $10/month account, for something closer to $5/month

I would be surprised if they didn't reduce their prices, there have been too many competitive storage pricing reductions recently for them not to.

Re: Amazon S3 Pricing Changes Effective April 1, 2014

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I'm not sure where you get that data, but it doesn't match anything I've found in the 27 dates centers we do business in. Storage, versioning, redundancy, durability and geographic availability. That is the core of S3, not just storage.

The data centres makes little difference in this case. You can fit far more storage than what Everpix used comfortably in a half rack (e.g for density I can buy 5U servers storage servers with up to 48 x 4TB drives). In London, that runs me at most about $1k/month per site. Three sites for $3K/month. 400TB worth of off the shelf storage servers would run us ~$1600/month without even shopping around, in leasing cost p…

You're leaving out the part about the software and operational support to handle failover, data integrity checks and correction, etc. You're not just tossing disks in a rack but managing a highly-available, highly-durable storage system on top of them.

You can definitely beat those rates at large enough scale but for a startup you're talking about dedicating a non-trivial chunk of your skilled technical staff's time in the hope of breaking even. That's an obvious move for Backblaze or Crashplan but for other companies it might be a dubious investment versus nailing the core product.

Re: Amazon S3 Pricing Changes Effective April 1, 2014

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Price out the backup solution for that back blaze. Then make the backblaze geograohiclly redundant. Then write the system to keep them in sync. Then add versioning. Then pay for someone to manage it. Now you are getting towards the real cost of that backblaze to replace S3.

>Then write the system to keep them in sync. Then add versioning. Are there any ready-to-deploy solutions for this?

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Re: Amazon S3 Pricing Changes Effective April 1, 2014

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That doesn't change the fact that you pay much less for much more.

On a completely different service. Which is the point. I get more food for $10 at burger king than I do at a hotel, but that doesn't make burger king a replacement for hotels.

Is Amazon's bandwidth more delicious than Hetzner's bandwidth for the same price? Are the servers more nutritious?

Re: Amazon S3 Pricing Changes Effective April 1, 2014

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On a completely different service. Which is the point. I get more food for $10 at burger king than I do at a hotel, but that doesn't make burger king a replacement for hotels.

Is Amazon's bandwidth more delicious than Hetzner's bandwidth for the same price? Are the servers more nutritious?

It isn't the bandwidth that is the difference, that's the point. How are the beds in Burger King?
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