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Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by 1ris »

pizza234 wrote: post #14
herokusaki wrote: post #3

Based on your experience is it stable enough to upgrade to already? Previously some final betas were.

I've found the Ubuntu [Desktop] stability to be in constant decline over the time, even experiencing bugs in the installers in the latest versions. A few notes: - the "stability" I refer to is always minor errors - I remove lots of packages every time I install it, although I've experienced system error notifications even when I didn't uninstall anything All in all, I'd say that there is a lack of polishing, at the l…

I can confirm this. Installing Xubuntu quantal took me almost a day and I had to do it more or less manually. If i had used debootstrap right from the start it would have been a way easier. The installer crashed multiple times at different steps. The offical installer image does not even boot, but crashes right away, and you find yourself in the initrd busybox shell. There is no way to use it unless you have solid linux knowledge.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by popey »

chrismonsanto wrote: post #17
pizza234 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've found the Ubuntu [Desktop] stability to be in constant decline over the time, even experiencing bugs in the installers in the latest versions. A few notes: - the "stability" I refer to is always minor errors - I remove lots of packages every time I install it, although I've experienced system error notifications even when I didn't uninstall anything All in all, I'd say that there is a lack of polishing, at the l…

> I've found the Ubuntu [Desktop] stability to be in constant decline over the time I wish I never upgraded to 13.10. Sometimes drag-maximizing my window can crash my entire system. And compiz leaks memory like a sieve, sometimes I will wake up to find compiz using ~5.5gb of memory and the system will be unusable. Gotta restart! When I first upgraded, I thought "oh, it's always like this at the start, they'll fix it.…

There was a nasty bug recently with xorg (Intel driver) eating RAM then the kernel OOM killer would swoop in and kill the desktop. I filed a bug on launchpad and the upstream Intel driver maintainer was super attentive and got it fixed. It was a rough time while the issue was around, but it happens..

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by pervycreeper »

herokusaki wrote: post #3

Based on your experience is it stable enough to upgrade to already? Previously some final betas were.

One data point: been using 14.4 since early this month. Sound output suddenly stopped working two days ago, but no catastrophic events have occurred so far.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by collyw »

pizza234 wrote: post #14
herokusaki wrote: post #3

Based on your experience is it stable enough to upgrade to already? Previously some final betas were.

I've found the Ubuntu [Desktop] stability to be in constant decline over the time, even experiencing bugs in the installers in the latest versions. A few notes: - the "stability" I refer to is always minor errors - I remove lots of packages every time I install it, although I've experienced system error notifications even when I didn't uninstall anything All in all, I'd say that there is a lack of polishing, at the l…

I installed Ubuntu for the first time in a while (to get around the secure boot nonsense). I hadn't used it since they started with Unity, and the upgrade process nuked my install.

I agree, Ubuntu seems to work nicely out of the box, but behaves more and more like Windows, a kind of gradual deterioration over time. I am always getting warnings about some problem from suspend. It doesn't (seem to) stop anything working so far, but the install is only a month or two old.

On the other hand I tried Manjaro - a user friendly version of Arch. That needed a few more tweaks to get everything working after the initial install, but I have had it on another laptop for far longer, and so far non of these niggley problems like in Ubuntu.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by Pacabel »

1ris wrote: post #21
pizza234 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've found the Ubuntu [Desktop] stability to be in constant decline over the time, even experiencing bugs in the installers in the latest versions. A few notes: - the "stability" I refer to is always minor errors - I remove lots of packages every time I install it, although I've experienced system error notifications even when I didn't uninstall anything All in all, I'd say that there is a lack of polishing, at the l…

I can confirm this. Installing Xubuntu quantal took me almost a day and I had to do it more or less manually. If i had used debootstrap right from the start it would have been a way easier. The installer crashed multiple times at different steps. The offical installer image does not even boot, but crashes right away, and you find yourself in the initrd busybox shell. There is no way to use it unless you have solid li…

After running into such problems with it so quickly, why did you continue to try to use it?

Problems of that sort were understandable in 1995, when Linux and the few distributions available at the time were still relatively immature. They were even understandable in the very early 2000s, when hardware support sometimes wasn't great. But these days, there's really no excuse for a lack of quality like you're describing.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by chrismonsanto »

kator wrote: post #20
chrismonsanto wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've found the Ubuntu [Desktop] stability to be in constant decline over the time I wish I never upgraded to 13.10. Sometimes drag-maximizing my window can crash my entire system. And compiz leaks memory like a sieve, sometimes I will wake up to find compiz using ~5.5gb of memory and the system will be unusable. Gotta restart! When I first upgraded, I thought "oh, it's always like this at the start, they'll fix it.…

Or maybe dig in and contribute a fix?

Is this a serious suggestion? I can't even reliably reproduce it. It just happens randomly. The problem could be unity. It could be in compiz. It could be in the nvidia drivers, which I don't even have the source to. Who knows what in that mess causes my system to lock up.

Regardless, I do not have enough loyalty to Ubuntu to do this kind of work. There are a number of open source projects that I am involved with, and if I spend time on this (likely to be fruitless) endeavor, I end up with less time to spend on projects I care about.

My post is purely to vent, and to serve as a warning for those looking to try Ubuntu Desktop. My personal opinion is to try something else. I am.

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