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Whatever goes up, that’s what we do

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Re: Whatever goes up, that’s what we do

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Hard to have a sense of mission or purpose when your company goes out of business and you can't pay the bills.

You're right, there's absolutely zero middleground.

Yup, it is that ridiculous either/or position why the blog post is incorrect.

Re: Whatever goes up, that’s what we do

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post #29

Nice theory, but I think Dustin's conclusions are wrong. I got to use this alternative design on my second Facebook account that I used for app development, while my personal account didn't have it enabled. I really disliked like the new sidebar design. The concept was similar to what GMail has done lately, with text links replaced by only graphical icons. I found it really difficult to remember what each icon linked…

>text links replaced by only graphical icons This is a terribly pernicious trend in all sorts of software, not just GMail. I really hope that the fad dies out soon, because it's preventing me form effectively using software that otherwise may have been great.

Reminds me of Neal Stephenson's The Diamond Age, where most people can't actually read and just follow animated icons. "Mediaglyphs" I think it was called.

Re: Whatever goes up, that’s what we do

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post #108
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I think he's talking within the context of software, you know. Even within this context, icons have been used for a long time in things like toolbars. But historically they've been quite descriptive of what they do, and often times have been accompanied by a textual description if there's any uncertainty as to their meaning. Like the earlier commenter wrote, however, we've seen the use of icons really taken to a stup…

Of all the things that inhibit our use of programs, icons are surely the least because after you've pressed them a couple thousand times, I hope you still don't forget them. Text takes up a lot of space.

What you're saying about icons is true, but only if we're talking about desktop software that has major releases only every few years, or software that otherwise uses a very standardized and common set of icons.

That isn't what we see with most web apps these days, including the major ones. There's continual change, including the icons that are used, where they're positioned, and what happens when they're clicked on. If you discover what an icon means and does today, there's a very good chance it'll have changed by tomorrow, if it's even still around.

We're much better off losing a small amount of space, but getting an obvious and unambiguous description when text is used instead of icons.

Re: Whatever goes up, that’s what we do

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On the contrary, I don't need the feed at all. I use just the messaging features. I never post on the feed and everything I share is in the private or group messages.

If you don't need the feed you don't even need the web browser since the message system is bog standard jabber. I do my FB messaging through Messages on my Mac and the FB Messages app on my phone. Works great.

Bog standard Jabber except for the changes they make - group messaging, 'seen' notifications, in line attachments, 'stickers' are all proprietary stuff which a standard jabber client doesn't support, unfortunately.

Their Facebook Messenger for Windows client was discontinued earlier this month unfortuntaely, so I'm back using Trillian and boy do I miss the group messaging feature.

Re: Whatever goes up, that’s what we do

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This is essentially what happened in my group when I was at Yahoo. Our group spent several months on a redesign that made it significantly more modern and easier to use. After it went live, though, this decreased the number of ad clicks by a significant number, and the people in charge hurriedly reverted all the changes back, since they needed to make their revenue numbers in order to make their bonus. When you are s…

I've actually faced a similar situation, and let me tell you it was hard . Companies like Yahoo exist to make money - or, at least, they must continue to make money in order to continue existing. Like Dustin said, > "This is truly a nightmare scenario for any CEO: do you take the risk and proceed with the better user experience/product at the expense of short term numbers–with no promise that the better design will a…

There's a lot of room between "exist to make money" and "must make money in order to exist". Like, a staggering amount of room.

Re: Whatever goes up, that’s what we do

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>text links replaced by only graphical icons This is a terribly pernicious trend in all sorts of software, not just GMail. I really hope that the fad dies out soon, because it's preventing me form effectively using software that otherwise may have been great.

> I really hope that the fad dies out soon I wouldn't hold my breath. I think a lot of the reasons we're moving to icons instead of text is because sometime in the next ten years, the majority of all internet traffic will originate on phones, and phones don't have nearly as much real estate to devote to labels as desktop screens do.

Just decide which decade you are talking about. I hear this since the 90's.

Re: Whatever goes up, that’s what we do

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post #29

Nice theory, but I think Dustin's conclusions are wrong. I got to use this alternative design on my second Facebook account that I used for app development, while my personal account didn't have it enabled. I really disliked like the new sidebar design. The concept was similar to what GMail has done lately, with text links replaced by only graphical icons. I found it really difficult to remember what each icon linked…

>text links replaced by only graphical icons This is a terribly pernicious trend in all sorts of software, not just GMail. I really hope that the fad dies out soon, because it's preventing me form effectively using software that otherwise may have been great.

The best kind are the ones that change the icons with every iteration (Ubuntu, I'm looking at you), so you can't even memorize the icons.

Re: Whatever goes up, that’s what we do

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post #105

This is a weakness of ad-supported business models. When users are buying or subscribing to a product, you want them to love it as much as possible so that they will always buy more. Ad-supported models untie the relationship between UX and revenue. In an ad-supported model, you do need users to like the product enough to keep coming back, but small decreases in utility that generate more impressions could be great f…

Isn't that what the Instagram, Whatsapp, and Occulus purchases are for? None of them are yet tied down to an advertising based business model.

Potentially they can even untie the Facebook product from the ad model. They could introduce "Facebook Premium" whereby you would pay a small monthly fee and have a different interface due to the space freed up from deciding to not show you ads.
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