Turkish government takes down YouTube too

Post by Locke1689 » Thu, Mar 27, 2014, 11:07 PM UTC

waps wrote: post #115

Angostura wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's a bit of a difference between a fairly length debate about the extent to which statements about weapons of mass destruction were 'sexed up', where the government position is eventually discredited and a Youtube recording of government ministers conspiring to start a war.

There are people here who come from countries that were the target of America's equally fabricated reason to get into WWII. I would love to thank the US government for fabricating that (at the very least blowing one incident way out of proportion). My family has killed people for simply being on the wrong side of that battle, merely to make some profit selling pigs, or repairing plumming. You know what ? They were ri…

Post by 3327 » Thu, Mar 27, 2014, 11:52 PM UTC

shna wrote: post #103

I am a native Turkish speaker and I listened the recording. For one thing I did not hear anything you would not expect to hear from most of the statesman in the west in a similar situation. Conversation is about the future stance of Turkey for the civil war in Syria and lack of enough resolve for the last 3 years to intervene properly, and that does not mean directly involving but not supplying ammo to rebel groups a…

Post by shna » Fri, Mar 28, 2014, 12:31 AM UTC

3327 wrote: post #143

shna wrote: post #103

I am a native Turkish speaker and I listened the recording. For one thing I did not hear anything you would not expect to hear from most of the statesman in the west in a similar situation. Conversation is about the future stance of Turkey for the civil war in Syria and lack of enough resolve for the last 3 years to intervene properly, and that does not mean directly involving but not supplying ammo to rebel groups a…

Your text seems almost like Turkish gov't pawn propaganda. a 4 hour account, and a very well put together defense of the recording. Any one that speaks Turkish and listened to the full recording will not mistake the following for anything else, "I can send 4 of my guys there (Syria) to fire rockets". >For one thing I did not hear anything you would not expect to hear from most of the statesman in the west in a simila…

Post by bayesianhorse » Fri, Mar 28, 2014, 1:26 AM UTC

cinquemb wrote: post #121

bayesianhorse wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting that a "western conspiracy" was responsible for the turmoil in Syria? That their people did not have serious grievances with a regime that tortured and murdered tens of thousands of people for political reasons even before the current conflict started?

Not necessarily (because the conflict is not black and white), just that "the west" (if you include Qatar, Saudi Arabia[0], Israel, etc…) and "the east" all have interests in the region and have manipulated the conflict on multiple levels regardless of environment before Syria went "hot". Just like everywhere else in the world where someone is trying to make a buck… Some of those interests have been well stated by th…

Post by EGreg » Fri, Mar 28, 2014, 4:22 AM UTC

wfn wrote: post #142

EGreg wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might not be true of https traffic, since the intermediate servers that route to the destination may be compromised. But it should be true of Tor, Freenet etc. right?

Tor software has the public keys of Tor directory authorities built-in. But it needs to trust those directory authorities to provide true up-to-date information about the network (Tor clients download the public keys for all the relays which are currently online and are deemed to be OK by the authorities, from the authorities (or their mirrors - everything is signed by dirauth keys.)) If the dir authorities are compr…